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DH wants to build a bunker/shelter in the basement

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DHmad · 28/02/2022 22:06

I wish I was kidding!

DH has decided it would be sensible to create a bunker/fall out shelter in the basement in case of nuclear war/war. I feel like he’s gone mad!

OP posts:
fudging · 01/03/2022 12:29

In some countries it would be mandatory to convert your basement into a bunker, e.g. Switzerland...

7eleven · 01/03/2022 12:30

I think some people need to stop watching the news, as they are having a completely over the top reaction to the current affairs.

**This fear is exactly what Putin wants. Let’s get a British grip of ourselves and spend our time doing actually useful things such as fundraising or petitioning our MP about visas.

ClariceQuiff · 01/03/2022 12:34

There's an 'Only Fools and Horses' episode where they do this. If watching for inspiration, be aware there is a racist slur used in the dialogue.

mumwon · 01/03/2022 12:36

@spacehardware they did carpet bombing of "normal" bombs of Tokyo just before Hiroshima - the death rate mostly caused by fires (wooden buildings) caused a direct death rate in the 10's of thousands. I suspect the reason they chose Hiroshima & Nagasaki, I suspect, is that they had NOT had that much bombing before &the US wanted to know how much damage a single bomb could caused to a city. If you think this is cynical please read Southard's "Nagasaki: Life after Nuclear War" the (non) treatment of casualties but ongoing medical tests to check "progress & damage" was horrendous

bedheadedzombie · 01/03/2022 12:36

So you have an unfinished basement and a DH who wants to build an underground bunker.... this has got to be a win-win situation, isn't it? Let him finish the basement and fill it with water bottles and toilet paper and other stuff. By the time he's finished doing that he'll probably have calmed down.

I don't have a basement but DH suddenly filled the garage with too many water bottles. It's pretty harmless and makes him feel better about things. We'll drink them before the expiry date. Or at least some of it before christmas so I can reach for the decorations again.

the80sweregreat · 01/03/2022 12:38

The bbc cut Del Boy's slur from that bunker episode! I think that we can take it as read that the character wasn't racist at all , the comment was made in jest , but rightly cut out when the comedy was repeated many years later on.

Springflowers21 · 01/03/2022 12:43

I have got a cellar and I have been thinking of storing some extra food, water there!! My husband is giving me bewildering looks too Grin

Suzi888 · 01/03/2022 12:45

Grin We have a windowless cellar, I better get some Chickpeas in.

ClariceQuiff · 01/03/2022 12:45

@the80sweregreat

The bbc cut Del Boy's slur from that bunker episode! I think that we can take it as read that the character wasn't racist at all , the comment was made in jest , but rightly cut out when the comedy was repeated many years later on.
Glad to hear it's been cut. We have the DVDs which are uncut and it always jars. I agree, it was Del going along with commonly-used racist language of the times (early 80s) rather than being singled out as a racist.
Sunshinedreaming2022 · 01/03/2022 12:47

*Also remember that the number of deaths from Chernobyl was 31 (maybe 50 some squabbles over the number internationally).....afterwards that increased because of cancer rates but that was a nuclear power plant. Thousands of people were evacuated from Chernobyl and they were OK. Hundreds got cancer particularly thyroid but they still lived for 10-20yrs+

People survived hiroshima and nagasaki. Chernobyl was 400 times more powerful in terms of radiation than hiroshima because it wasn't a bomb. Hiroshima was far more immediately destructive. Two completely different nuclear incidents. Here we are talking about nuclear bombs specifically.

Survival can be achieved if you're outside the radius. People live in Hiroshima now but you can't in Chernobyl. It's different. So you can't use Chernobyl as an example as the effects and fall out for a nuclear bomb.

A nuclear bomb is devastating but it doesn't mean the entire country dies if people don't have a lead enforced bunker to live in for years. That's just not how radiation from a bomb would work.

Even a nuclear war doesn't necessarily mean that. It would be catastrophic but it doesn't mean end of world for everyone.

I'm not being optimistic - I'm just stating facts. Also you're quoting hiroshima as an example of why everyone in the UK would die suddenly makes no sense - did everyone in Japan die? No. Just those within the radius of the blast. Japan continues, life did not suddenly end throughout all of Japan. It was horrendous but two nuclear bombs didn't wipe Japan off the map, did it?

You're making an awful lot of assumptions that one nuclear bomb would mean all NATO countries would suddenly go on self destruct and start nuking everywhere. That makes no sense either.

So if someone wants to turn a basement into a second bedroom but also a potential place to hold up in a disaster more generally it's not that ridiculous.

It's more ridiculous to say one nuclear bomb is end of the world.

I think my view is more balanced and less doomsday.

If London got nuked and you're up in Manchester or Newcastle in a basement and you can ride it out for a good few weeks - you stand a decent chance of survival depending on the nature, scale and quantity of bombs.*

Thank you @Dottdoo for the sensible post. I don't know why everyone seems to think that if it goes nuclear the whole world is going to be destroyed from radiation and life is going to resemble something out of the apocalypse. Too many watching films instead of reading sensible advice.
Here is a link to show where the danger zone would be if various nuclear bombs hit London: www.mylondon.news/news/local-news/incredible-map-shows-what-would-17138323. Don't worry - we aren't all going to perish and have to feed off our cats to survive. If Russia sets of a bomb towards us - well that will be the end of Putin. But seeing as we will not bomb our allies, and from most reports - not even most of Russia wants this war - I'm pretty sure that will just be the end of it. With Putin gone, they will accept defeat and we carry on as we were. However if a bomb did hit - there is no harm in having some extra bottled water and dried food in. Chances are we could be asked to remain indoors for 2 weeks, and if the last 2 years have taught us anything is that we should always have spare supplies in.
Also emergency grab bags are always advised - change of clothes, power bank, important documents, bottled water and cereal bars - not just in case of war but flood, fire etc.

Every time I go on holiday I take out insurance - in 20 years I have never needed to claim on it once, but I still take it out because you just never know and its better to have and never need, then need but not have.

doublemonkey · 01/03/2022 12:48

OP, you should sit him down tonight and watch When the Wind Blows.

That will put him right off. Or make him more determined...could go either way. 😉

godmum56 · 01/03/2022 12:49

[quote ThoseFestiveLights]It was the official advice in the 80s!

And someone send me this today: looks like the government uploaded this over the weekend. Could be a coincidence. Or could be in case of nuclear attack…

www.gov.uk/alerts[/quote]
That's old news. It was first announced when the Whaley Bridge Dam cracked. Australia already has several allerts app systems depending on where you live.

GrolliffetheDragon · 01/03/2022 12:50

In CotD, I think they all stayed in the kitchen, with mattresses against the windows & plastic sheeting over the table and the youngest child refused to come out from under there. I remember a dog related it point. Not sure about a cat.

They had a dog called Buster. When the mum went out she got someone to shoot him.

And yes, the youngest child, Catherine, refused to come out from under the table, or drink the water that had been left out uncovered, and was the only one to survive. The mum had forgotten to block the chimney.

I wrote an essay on the book in school and it clearly really stuck in my mind. I can still see the last glimpse Sarah has of the outside world before the bombs are dropped - sunshine, butterflies and Buster playing.

godmum56 · 01/03/2022 12:52

oh PS and in AUS and NZ. they also advise having a store of bin bags in case the sewerage systen fails and you can't go outside. You can pee in an unflushed toilet but the advice for faeces is to store them and the used loo paper in bin bags rather than waste your drinking water using it to flush.

JerkintheMerkin · 01/03/2022 12:52

After watching Threads why would anyone want to survive?

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 01/03/2022 12:53

My DH has already started.

busyeatingbiscuits · 01/03/2022 13:00

@JerkintheMerkin

After watching Threads why would anyone want to survive?
Because if smaller bombs are used it probably won't be like Threads, there could be much more localised damage and if you survive the initial blast you will want to avoid the fall out and survive.
BrokenButNotFinished · 01/03/2022 13:02

@Infinitemoon

I have looked at the old public information leaflet about how to survive. I haven't got any further yet, my DH just eyed me and made no comment.
Put tinfoil over the windows, take the doors off their hinges to make a shelter - and don't forget to draw the curtains...?? And if any member of the family should die whilst in the shelter, put them outside but remember to tag them first for identification purposes.

Last night I went out with a number of friends who, like me, grew up during the Cold War, one on the other side of the Iron Curtain. We laughed and drank Merlot. That's how you prepare for a nuclear strike Grin.

Natsku · 01/03/2022 13:02

Don't think I'd want to survive a nuclear blast but I am getting pangs of regret for moving to a detached house rather than staying in a block of flats (they have bomb shelters in the basement) but I'd only want to stay in one of them if it was conventional bombing, not nuclear attack.

crispmidnightpeace · 01/03/2022 13:06

If nuclear war is a possibility why do you think preparing as best you can is a bad idea? Genuine question.

HELLITHURT · 01/03/2022 13:07

@crispmidnightpeace

If nuclear war is a possibility why do you think preparing as best you can is a bad idea? Genuine question.
Because it would be living hell in the bunker and afterwards! Some things are worse than death.
BrokenButNotFinished · 01/03/2022 13:07

@Mumofsend

How on earth does doors propped up on a dining room table do anything? I'm really confused by the leaflet.

I think I'm in the rather just die group

You occupy your last four minutes on earth looking for a screwdriver...??
Libraryghost · 01/03/2022 13:08

I remember a run on these in the 80s. If you have the time and space then I suppose it's up the individual. Personally I wouldn't want to survive in a nuclear apocalypse. I think people need to stop watching the news... !

Mummytotwonow · 01/03/2022 13:12

I don’t think he is mad. If I had the money to do it, I would!

alfagirl73 · 01/03/2022 13:16

To be fair I've been looking at my basement thinking "I wish I'd got it tanked/done up!" - not so much in the event of a massive nuclear strike, but if anything else kicks off or if there are non-nuclear attacks, then it might not be a bad idea... worst case scenario, you end up with a very useful basement - depending on what you ultimately use it for. If it's a decent space it can be an extra "den" - movie room, utility room or whatever.

I still want to get mine done so it's just better, nicer, and makes the most of the space, but it's not a cheap project. Tanking alone can be expensive, then there are structural considerations. I looked into it a while back (before all this war stuff - just cos I wanted it done) and upon seeing the kind of money involved, it swiftly got put into the queue behind getting my kitchen done and other projects.

It would still "do" as a space in a non-nuke emergency, but I just don't have the money to get it properly done now or in the near future.