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Asking if a man likes you after a month of dating?

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user1481055867 · 27/02/2022 21:04

Met divorced father of two, very devoted to the kids, despite 50/50 childcare split he seems to be doing 90% of the care in addition to what he says is a depressed ex-wife who is like a child #3. He wanted to date seriously, long term with a goal to get married. He wanted to take it slow to ensure he is not getting into a “honey trap” as he said he was used by women so many times, which was ok with me as I didn’t want to rush into anything. As I quickly realised sex was not subject to “not rushing into anything” deal, that needed to begin ASAP.
So, with the backdrop of “not rushing” he began looking for homes near me as oldest child is preparing for 11+ and he was looking to move to countryside. Of course, as helpful as women are I spent so much time helping with schools and homes searches, going to viewings etc. Everything seemed uneventful, talking daily, been to each other’s homes and just taking it easy. Too good to be true? Then it probably is.

Comes 14th of February, I did not expect anything at all and could not care either way about the day. We usually began to speak early mornings, that day he avoided any contact until late afternoon, which was fine as he was on half-term with kids. Eventually he contacted me saying he woke up late, I sent him some more property reports I found, which he thanked me saying I deserved a medal, as at this point, I helped him loads. I jokingly said "I would be waiting", and his response was “yeah keep waiting”. I felt like I am getting into some sub-servient dynamic where I did most of work and he felt like it’s a given and he is a prize to be won. So, I mentioned that he does not seem to be an affectionate person as most of his comments kind of cold, and most of his compliments so far were mostly sexual in nature or regarding my physical appearance, not so much about me as a person. Nearest to that he said that I was “easy to like” person naturally, as an attractive woman. That was the extent of it.

So… we got into “that conversation”. He admitted that I was not the 1st person to accuse him of not being affectionate, even his mother said he was cold, he didn’t remember when last he celebrated Valentines and didn’t believe in it. I made it clear it was a general comment and nothing to do with Valentines, "all I knew that he liked me on physical level, but I could not gauge if he liked me as a person".

The hell broke loose following that comment. He said he didn’t know what to say and needed time to think.. What followed was fusion of passive aggressive messaging, silent treatment and stonewalling. Few days later I asked if everything was ok as I was going away, and the response was literally “I didn’t like your comment. I told you I wanted to take things easy and didn’t want any pressure at such an early stage. Your inquisition by text raised a big red flag as I am going through my “commitment process”, so as I said he needed time to think.”

Am I being unreasonable wanting to know if a man liked me as a person following a month of dating and daily communication? It threw me so much, because I thought I was the one needed time to think as his proposition was to take on 52 year old man with “emotional and commitment issues”, 2 primary school children, requiring at least a decade long commitment, depressed mama drama and he wanted everything 50/50 as far a financial arrangement, which is a big ask on part of someone who is independent and without small kids. Did not sound as an equitable transaction to me, but I would not have minded if I grew to love that person.

I guess what I am trying to find out is - when it’s too soon to ask if someone liked you and how does that question translate into “pressure”? To me knowing you like someone is the beginning of the relationship, am I wrong?

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user1481055867 · 28/02/2022 10:01

@SprayedWithDettol

These types have always had gold diggers/abusive women excuses for bad behaviour. If after a month a ‘relationship’ is causing you to post on MN I think we all know it’s not worth it.
@SprayedWithDettol yes gold diggers who ended up with his properties and ex wife who trapped him with pregnancy after he broke up with her after 6 weeks of dating.Then trapped him again when he asked for divorce and was emotionally abusive.
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user1481055867 · 28/02/2022 10:02

@Rainbowqueeen Thank you🙏

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Fireflygal · 28/02/2022 10:08

Op, what's your relationship history? Have you been single for any period of time?

You have missed some very obvious red flags and fallen for his victim stance, believing him totally right when he has berated his Ex's. My guess is he has badly treated his ex and fought for 50% but reality of going back to offices means he is desperate to find some mug to help him take care of his children.

Take time to reflect on why you proceeded with this man. Btw, your 15 year old is not grown up. They are at a critical stage with exams so very surprised you feel they are independent.

Saysama · 28/02/2022 10:18

You know how babies are made, right? You know he has to be an active participant or it doesn’t happen? So how is it possible that a man tells you about ex wife who trapped him with pregnancy after he broke up with her after 6 weeks.Then trapped him again when he asked for divorce and you just nod along and continue to date him?

You’re talking a lot about manipulation, but I don’t think you were manipulated. I think you harbour some intense internalised misogyny that allows you to accept (and dismiss) the way these awful mean have treated and spoken about other women. You also clearly have a fundamental lack of self respect, that I hope you work on.

And your 15 year old is still very much a child. It’s a big chilling that you’re referring to a kid in their mid teens as grown up. Recalibrate your priorities.

user1481055867 · 28/02/2022 10:36

@Saysama

You know how babies are made, right? You know he has to be an active participant or it doesn’t happen? So how is it possible that a man tells you about ex wife who trapped him with pregnancy after he broke up with her after 6 weeks.Then trapped him again when he asked for divorce and you just nod along and continue to date him?

You’re talking a lot about manipulation, but I don’t think you were manipulated. I think you harbour some intense internalised misogyny that allows you to accept (and dismiss) the way these awful mean have treated and spoken about other women. You also clearly have a fundamental lack of self respect, that I hope you work on.

And your 15 year old is still very much a child. It’s a big chilling that you’re referring to a kid in their mid teens as grown up. Recalibrate your priorities.

@Saysama i think you may have misunderstood my comment about grown up children.What i meant i am out of territory of school drop offs and packed lunches etc required by primary school kids in comparison.My daughter is my priority and was not subject of this thread.She is at the same time very independent, having lived a life of an international kid, lived in different countries, travelled alone since age of 5, speaking few languages.My main point was that no partner that i may bring in will be required to perform any intense amount of childcare as we already have it all worked out in comparison to a decade + long commitment of bringing up children of 5 and 10.I do not take your comment of mysoginy lightly, its very judgemental on your part.you would be surprised how many men even friends or colleagues may comment about unagreed pregnancies.If you have discussed with a partner to be on a pill and dont take it scenario happens all the time.i got pregnant while on a coil, things happen, you cant have a blanket approach that only women or men are to blame for unplanned pregnancies.I know good family men who did get married just because of pregnancy they didnt plan and not wanting kids being brought up by other men.Things are not so black and white.
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LuaDipa · 28/02/2022 10:37

yes gold diggers who ended up with his properties and ex wife who trapped him with pregnancy after he broke up with her after 6 weeks of dating.Then trapped him again when he asked for divorce and was emotionally abusive.

The poor man. If only there was a non-invasive, non hormonal way of preventing pregnancy that was completely within his control…

He sounds like an absolute twat.

Saysama · 28/02/2022 10:53

It’s ‘judgemental’ to say that if a man is claiming to have been trapped by pregnancy MULTIPLE TIMES (the first time after only six weeks, so she wasn’t his ‘partner’ and he should have been on top of birth control) and refers to women as ‘gold diggers’ any woman who wasn’t misogynistic would walk away? That any woman with self respect and respect for other women would go ‘hang on, this man is taking no accountability for his own reproduction and blaming women, I should get out of here’?

This man was slagging off his ex ON YOUR FIRST DATE, and showing you text exchanges. And you stayed. That is extremely black and white to everyone but you.

Your previous partner had three kids with overlapping ages with two women (so was cheating on both of them), kept them homes to which they were not allowed male visitors, slagged them both off as gold diggers who ‘trapped him’ and you continued to date him.

Seriously, what is wrong with you?

Everyone commenting here knows men. We’re married to some, friends with some and have male colleagues. If we’d all “be surprised how many men even friends or colleagues may comment about unagreed pregnancies”, then perhaps you should ponder why we’d be surprised and you wouldn’t. Is it because of the sort of men you choose to associate with or the level of misogyny you’re willing to tolerate?

merrymouse · 28/02/2022 12:12

and ex wife who trapped him with pregnancy after he broke up with her after 6 weeks of dating.

It was an immaculate conception?

newnameforthis76 · 28/02/2022 12:32

This man is an absolute dickhead. So many red flags, starting with his ‘honey trap’ remark.

He’s manipulating you and you should end it now. You’ve been dating a month and you’ve basically been doing his life admin for him but he thinks you’re being pushy for just asking him if he likes you as a person?! You just asked a reasonable question, ffs, you didn’t start making wedding plans. He’s a giant arsehole and I don’t think he likes women very much as people, to be honest.

user1481055867 · 28/02/2022 12:47

@Saysama its not about me being misogynistic which i find offensive you would even gaslight another woman like that, its about me having seen it all and i dont have this idealistic righteous view of the world as you do.I have also been married and have friends who were married and held these self-righteous superior views on everyone elses marriages until their own marriages went crashing or they found out who their husbands really were when going through divorce.Recently divorced people often bitter and may pass comments about exes men or women alike.You learn about people little by little and it would be ill mannered to walk out on a date if he showed you messages from the ex,who minutes earlier almost derailed your date. I think its judgemental to call another woman a misogynist based on comments I shared in an effort to seek constructive advice from community.

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user1481055867 · 28/02/2022 12:49

@newnameforthis76

This man is an absolute dickhead. So many red flags, starting with his ‘honey trap’ remark.

He’s manipulating you and you should end it now. You’ve been dating a month and you’ve basically been doing his life admin for him but he thinks you’re being pushy for just asking him if he likes you as a person?! You just asked a reasonable question, ffs, you didn’t start making wedding plans. He’s a giant arsehole and I don’t think he likes women very much as people, to be honest.

@newnameforthis76 yes i dont think he likes women generally, he is blocked and after reading my message he then blocked me too.Lucky escape.
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Saysama · 28/02/2022 13:14

I am giving you constructive advice. You just don’t like it. Which isn’t really my problem. You can be as offended as you like, I find your acceptance of misogynistic men to be deeply offensive, personally. You also need to look up the definition of ‘gaslighting’.

it would be ill mannered to walk out on a date if he showed you messages from the ex

No, it would be the normal behaviour of a woman with self respect. You don’t think it was I’ll mannered of him to show you the messages? The responses you’ve received here still haven’t made it clear that you should have just left?

And, again:

Your previous partner had three kids with overlapping ages with two women (so was cheating on both of them), kept them homes to which they were not allowed male visitors, slagged them both off as gold diggers who ‘trapped him’ and you continued to date him

Not dating this person wouldn’t have been ‘self righteous and idealistic’, it would have been behaving like a woman with self respect.

What you are referring to as ‘idealistic righteous view of the world’ is the way normal people with self respect and healthy boundaries engage with the world. This has been illustrated every time you post and get dozens of people asking you what the hell you’re doing to yourself.

You are the common denominator in all of these relationships. You need to get your standards out of the gutter, stop worrying about being ‘ill mannered’ to men who treat women (including you) like shit and start behaving rationally. If you continue like this, it will end poorly.

Lurking9to5 · 28/02/2022 14:04

I'm worried you're being set up here. How would you "prove" to him that you weren't a gold digger like all the other girls?
If he asks you to lend him a deposit on one of these properties you've been looking at, just til payday, so he doesnt lose the place, you are in between a rock and a hard place. If you say "no i cant lend you money til xx/xx payday, then you have "proved" you are like other women.....

Im wondering if him seeing all women as gold diggers isnt the lesser of two evils, the other being that you are manipulated in to proving you have money/aren't after his/trust him.....

Be very careful. If he asks for money for a deposit just until payday, you know that is the oldest scam in the book. He cas built his backstory nicely getting you in on the propery search.

Lurking9to5 · 28/02/2022 14:11

Ps, glad you have blocked him. 🚫 👍

user1481055867 · 28/02/2022 16:31

@Saysama I appreciate everyones advice, i guess its such an agressive tone of delivery from some superior moral authority - grandiosity of it - is what i am struggling with.Calling me a misogynist and implying I may be an illiterate as well from a woman who is against hating on women? Gaslighting can be achieved in number of ways and term can be used outside of realm of relationships as well in a broader sense. In this instance I meant you made me seem like i am the crazy one and didnt realise I was internalising misogyny. Any comments that make anyone doubt their understanding or perception may loosely fall under this term. If you find women who marry, live with, get abused by misogynistic men then you must be deeply offended by half of women on earth as misogynists dont live in isolation.Following your thinking if an abuse victim does not report domestic violence she is a misogynist as well.As i said my only problem with part of your advice is that things are not so black and white and making such sweeping statements is unwise thinking this will never happen to you because for some reason you are better than everyone else.As i said i appreciate everyone's advice including yours.

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thanktor · 28/02/2022 16:42

[quote user1481055867]@Saysama I appreciate everyones advice, i guess its such an agressive tone of delivery from some superior moral authority - grandiosity of it - is what i am struggling with.Calling me a misogynist and implying I may be an illiterate as well from a woman who is against hating on women? Gaslighting can be achieved in number of ways and term can be used outside of realm of relationships as well in a broader sense. In this instance I meant you made me seem like i am the crazy one and didnt realise I was internalising misogyny. Any comments that make anyone doubt their understanding or perception may loosely fall under this term. If you find women who marry, live with, get abused by misogynistic men then you must be deeply offended by half of women on earth as misogynists dont live in isolation.Following your thinking if an abuse victim does not report domestic violence she is a misogynist as well.As i said my only problem with part of your advice is that things are not so black and white and making such sweeping statements is unwise thinking this will never happen to you because for some reason you are better than everyone else.As i said i appreciate everyone's advice including yours.[/quote]
I’ve read the thread

Posters are horrified and perplexed

There hasn’t been aggression. Or moral superiority.

It’s been a forthright airing of views on a situation which is both depressing and unfathomable to us

housemaus · 28/02/2022 16:45

He's moving near you... after a month!?

Also, slagging off the ex and suggesting multiple women were trying to 'honey trap' him sounds like a big old misogynist red flag to me.

And 'not wanting to rush' but 'still wanting to fuck you and will allow you to do his home moving admin' is an interesting choice. As is blowing up at you and becoming passive aggressive and defensive when you - quite reasonably - point out that he's only really sexual with you and otherwise quite cold.

BIG no from me.

Gowithme · 28/02/2022 17:14

Commitment process?? He sounds like a dick right there OP.

Saysama · 28/02/2022 17:28

[quote user1481055867]@Saysama I appreciate everyones advice, i guess its such an agressive tone of delivery from some superior moral authority - grandiosity of it - is what i am struggling with.Calling me a misogynist and implying I may be an illiterate as well from a woman who is against hating on women? Gaslighting can be achieved in number of ways and term can be used outside of realm of relationships as well in a broader sense. In this instance I meant you made me seem like i am the crazy one and didnt realise I was internalising misogyny. Any comments that make anyone doubt their understanding or perception may loosely fall under this term. If you find women who marry, live with, get abused by misogynistic men then you must be deeply offended by half of women on earth as misogynists dont live in isolation.Following your thinking if an abuse victim does not report domestic violence she is a misogynist as well.As i said my only problem with part of your advice is that things are not so black and white and making such sweeping statements is unwise thinking this will never happen to you because for some reason you are better than everyone else.As i said i appreciate everyone's advice including yours.[/quote]
That was pretty much unintelligible. No, that is not what gaslighting means. You are wrong, your perception is skewed and your understanding of relationships is problematic. I’m telling you so, point blank in unambiguous terms.

Nobody called you illiterate. And I’m not ‘better than everyone else’ because I call you out and hold you accountable for your (not everyone’s- yours) behaviour.

You are not being abused and you are not a victim of domestic violence. You are fully complicit in what is happening to you and keep seeking out these relationships. Your internalised misogyny is so intense that you seem to think behaviour that the rest of us find shocking is excusable and claim it would be ill mannered not to tolerate it.

I haven’t made a single ‘sweeping statement’. I have provided specific examples of what I’m talking about. If you want to continue to refuse to engage with what’s being said and claim its ‘black and white thinking’, that’s on you. You’re the one who has to live your life. Good luck, as I’m done.

user1481055867 · 28/02/2022 17:31

@thanktor

This is how this particular poster's comments have come acrossed to me, i am very receptive and never argue with anyone, i just feel there are ways to relay a piece of advice without humiliating another. I guess expectation is once you post being subject to all types of comments.Being called a misogynist, woman without self respect, unlike any self respecting women here of course, with standards in the gutter etc.There are ways to relay the same i think, I maybe wrong. As i said i am thankful for all the advice I can get and for time used to respond.

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user1481055867 · 28/02/2022 18:40

@Saysama Using your own words to another OP "Your tone was condescending, unnecessary and ill placed."

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thanktor · 28/02/2022 20:07

[quote user1481055867]@thanktor

This is how this particular poster's comments have come acrossed to me, i am very receptive and never argue with anyone, i just feel there are ways to relay a piece of advice without humiliating another. I guess expectation is once you post being subject to all types of comments.Being called a misogynist, woman without self respect, unlike any self respecting women here of course, with standards in the gutter etc.There are ways to relay the same i think, I maybe wrong. As i said i am thankful for all the advice I can get and for time used to respond.[/quote]
Op

You have been completely and utterly humiliated by this man. Who has treated you far far worse than an anonymous poster pointing out that there is something very seriously Disturbing about your stance

thanktor · 28/02/2022 20:11

* You learn about people little by little and it would be ill mannered to walk out on a date if he showed you messages from the ex,*

Oh OP. It’s depressing that you are so committed to being well mannered to a complete stranger showing you private messages between him and his ex wife.

user1481055867 · 28/02/2022 21:53

@thanktor

* You learn about people little by little and it would be ill mannered to walk out on a date if he showed you messages from the ex,*

Oh OP. It’s depressing that you are so committed to being well mannered to a complete stranger showing you private messages between him and his ex wife.

@tanktor God no, I am not commited to this man, i ve told him what i needed and have blocked him. As things payed out in realtime it was a bit like a bad movie. Imagine we have been talking for weeks, had 1 date in my town then i went to a date to his. While on my way, as i dont control train schedule, i ended up arriving 20 min earlier. He was not ready to pick me up as his daughter called him saying that mum was not in a state to look after them even though it was her weekend. Yes i am a stranger and when i was younger i would have immediately turned around and blocked him right there and then, as I used to be and to extent now quite impulsive for which I was always criticised. I thought oh well he is a single dad, we women often say that there are so many useless men around abandoning their kids etc, so when a dad is really trying i didnt want to be insensitive of his challenges. Anyway, we finally met with slight delay as he had to go all the way to his ex's house check on kids, go back to his change etc. We went to dinner and since the ex was sick he said he had to take them the next day for tuition early and was waiting for her to confirm, so all this was during dinner - him looking at the phone and being apologetic. During the course of this in despair by being distracted by his phone, he said "see this is what i am dealing with". I know there are many ways to look at it, but imagine seeing how upset he was about the interruption to the date, worrying about the kids staying up late and being tired for tution the next day, so all of this didnt exactly made me feel like standing up and walking out at that moment. It unravelled like a movie, i understand its easy to pass comments online, but we all appreciate its not as simple in real life. I am not making excuses for him nor am I defending him, just explaining the circumstances of him showing me their text exchanges.

I am done with this man, i ve done a list of various "red flags" and it is loooooong, wish i didnt ignore them earlier, something I need to work on. Challenge not unique to me I am sure...

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Lurking9to5 · 28/02/2022 22:01

Look after yourself now 🍷💐

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