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Asking if a man likes you after a month of dating?

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user1481055867 · 27/02/2022 21:04

Met divorced father of two, very devoted to the kids, despite 50/50 childcare split he seems to be doing 90% of the care in addition to what he says is a depressed ex-wife who is like a child #3. He wanted to date seriously, long term with a goal to get married. He wanted to take it slow to ensure he is not getting into a “honey trap” as he said he was used by women so many times, which was ok with me as I didn’t want to rush into anything. As I quickly realised sex was not subject to “not rushing into anything” deal, that needed to begin ASAP.
So, with the backdrop of “not rushing” he began looking for homes near me as oldest child is preparing for 11+ and he was looking to move to countryside. Of course, as helpful as women are I spent so much time helping with schools and homes searches, going to viewings etc. Everything seemed uneventful, talking daily, been to each other’s homes and just taking it easy. Too good to be true? Then it probably is.

Comes 14th of February, I did not expect anything at all and could not care either way about the day. We usually began to speak early mornings, that day he avoided any contact until late afternoon, which was fine as he was on half-term with kids. Eventually he contacted me saying he woke up late, I sent him some more property reports I found, which he thanked me saying I deserved a medal, as at this point, I helped him loads. I jokingly said "I would be waiting", and his response was “yeah keep waiting”. I felt like I am getting into some sub-servient dynamic where I did most of work and he felt like it’s a given and he is a prize to be won. So, I mentioned that he does not seem to be an affectionate person as most of his comments kind of cold, and most of his compliments so far were mostly sexual in nature or regarding my physical appearance, not so much about me as a person. Nearest to that he said that I was “easy to like” person naturally, as an attractive woman. That was the extent of it.

So… we got into “that conversation”. He admitted that I was not the 1st person to accuse him of not being affectionate, even his mother said he was cold, he didn’t remember when last he celebrated Valentines and didn’t believe in it. I made it clear it was a general comment and nothing to do with Valentines, "all I knew that he liked me on physical level, but I could not gauge if he liked me as a person".

The hell broke loose following that comment. He said he didn’t know what to say and needed time to think.. What followed was fusion of passive aggressive messaging, silent treatment and stonewalling. Few days later I asked if everything was ok as I was going away, and the response was literally “I didn’t like your comment. I told you I wanted to take things easy and didn’t want any pressure at such an early stage. Your inquisition by text raised a big red flag as I am going through my “commitment process”, so as I said he needed time to think.”

Am I being unreasonable wanting to know if a man liked me as a person following a month of dating and daily communication? It threw me so much, because I thought I was the one needed time to think as his proposition was to take on 52 year old man with “emotional and commitment issues”, 2 primary school children, requiring at least a decade long commitment, depressed mama drama and he wanted everything 50/50 as far a financial arrangement, which is a big ask on part of someone who is independent and without small kids. Did not sound as an equitable transaction to me, but I would not have minded if I grew to love that person.

I guess what I am trying to find out is - when it’s too soon to ask if someone liked you and how does that question translate into “pressure”? To me knowing you like someone is the beginning of the relationship, am I wrong?

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user1481055867 · 27/02/2022 22:31

@whiteworldgettingwhiter

On our 1st date he literally showed me his text exchanges with her on the day of our date when he told her to piss off, was not a good start to a date.

Why, in the name of all that's holy, did you stay after this??

@whiteworldgettingwhiter

Well it was a 1st proper date and was already interrupted by his ex call who said she was too sick to look after the kids who were with her that weekend, so when you dont know someone well, it wasnt like i was going to turn around and go back, but uwas a red flag for sure.

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merrymouse · 27/02/2022 22:32

He wanted to take it slow to ensure he is not getting into a “honey trap” as he said he was used by women so many times

Sounds like the problem here isn’t them, it’s him.

TreatTrimTame · 27/02/2022 22:33

I think you've had a lucky escape to be shown his flaws early on and should walk away.

Lurking9to5 · 27/02/2022 22:34

@HelloKittyGirl

Apart from anything else, why would he be looking to move after a month of dating?!! This is WAY too soon and asking for trouble, especially for someone with kids to uproot.
Im in tinder swindler hyper vigilance mode on your behalf op but his use of thevword honeytrap is so bizarre, is he gearing up to ask you for money for a deposit so he doesnt lose a flat, just until he gets paid, R U N
Sweetlikejollof · 27/02/2022 22:53

OP, I read your previous thread. So, you broke up with the man who essentially wanted you to be the third string in his harem and then pretty much immediately started dating this loser? WHY?!

Why are you willing to tolerate so much utter shite from these men? What is going on with you? Take a breath, be single for a bit and figure yourself out. As these threads (if they are real) are really crazy!

user1481055867 · 27/02/2022 23:03

@Sweetlikejollof

OP, I read your previous thread. So, you broke up with the man who essentially wanted you to be the third string in his harem and then pretty much immediately started dating this loser? WHY?!

Why are you willing to tolerate so much utter shite from these men? What is going on with you? Take a breath, be single for a bit and figure yourself out. As these threads (if they are real) are really crazy!

@Sweetlikejollof

I was expecting something like that. I am working with my therapist on these issues, i know it sounds cliche but i started precisely after my previous thread and comments, both are real, maybe i need to start an anonymous blog :). I dont know why i am under such pressure to be dating, maybe its my mum, maybe married friends no idea, but i realise that i went from polygamist to dont even know what to call this one LOL. Someone said to me to get a FWB to have the needs handled without having to date and enjoy my single life until i know what i want. Bad idea?

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Houseplantmad · 27/02/2022 23:07

Crikey, if it's like this after just one month, imagine what your long term future with him would be like.

Move forward quickly and don't look back.

Lurking9to5 · 27/02/2022 23:12

I dont think you are in a good place for a fwb. You would be the one who was used and hurt.

Sweetlikejollof · 27/02/2022 23:12

@user1481055867 Dating isn’t the issue, it’s the people you’re choosing to date and the things that you seem willing to tolerate. If a man is disrespecting you or behaving oddly, you don’t seem to be able to recognise that and walk away. Until you can do that, dating is unlikely to go well.

It’s great that you’re getting professional support with this.

Do you actually want an FWB? Do you actually just occasionally fancy a shag? Or would it just be more seeking male validation? As that seems to be what you’re doing.

It appears that there was barely any gap between these two ‘relationships’ (I’m not even sure I can call them that). Have you ever been single? Truly single, with no complicated arrangements. If so, how long for and did you enjoy it?

Ncwinc · 27/02/2022 23:14

I’d suggest making a positive choice to ditch dating for 6-12 months to work on your self esteem. The relationships you’re choosing aren’t doing anything for you.

Dishwashersaurous · 27/02/2022 23:18

One month. You barely know each other.

Should be super light fun at that stage.

A month

Dishwashersaurous · 27/02/2022 23:20

Sorry just caught up.

Just stop, stop, stop even thinking about dating.

Having fun, socialising, doing things you want to do.

No dating

user1481055867 · 27/02/2022 23:20

It seems everytime i finsih this thread - i block a man! Need to break that trend.

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Dishwashersaurous · 27/02/2022 23:21

Right . Commit now to no dating for a year and actually just doing what you want to do.

The collective power of mumsnet will support you

BlancheB · 27/02/2022 23:22

Wow. Ex- wife is berated in the first sentence, future faking in the second sentence and "honey-trap" comes up in the third sentence.

Run for your life. This guy is a grade A loser.

user1481055867 · 27/02/2022 23:22

@Dishwashersaurous

Sorry just caught up.

Just stop, stop, stop even thinking about dating.

Having fun, socialising, doing things you want to do.

No dating

@ Dishwashersaurous

I need to try this now - just socialising - now that lockdown is trully over.

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user1481055867 · 27/02/2022 23:24

@Dishwashersaurous

Right . Commit now to no dating for a year and actually just doing what you want to do.

The collective power of mumsnet will support you

@Dishwashersaurous

I will be 45 if i didnt date for a year!!! Note to myself to discuss with my therapist

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crackofdoom · 27/02/2022 23:25

There is nothing whatsoever wrong or heavy in asking a man you're having sex with if he likes you as a person- except that one would hope he'd let you know that without having to be asked. The fact that he behaved so bizarrely when you did is a whole May Day parade of red flags.

Also- autistic my arse. I'm autistic, and from my armchair I diagnose him as a common or garden twat.

Dishwashersaurous · 27/02/2022 23:25

Right. We are all here to support for you.

No dating at all

You need to focus on having fun. Lots of fun that doesn't involve a willy!

user1481055867 · 27/02/2022 23:29

[quote Sweetlikejollof]@user1481055867 Dating isn’t the issue, it’s the people you’re choosing to date and the things that you seem willing to tolerate. If a man is disrespecting you or behaving oddly, you don’t seem to be able to recognise that and walk away. Until you can do that, dating is unlikely to go well.

It’s great that you’re getting professional support with this.

Do you actually want an FWB? Do you actually just occasionally fancy a shag? Or would it just be more seeking male validation? As that seems to be what you’re doing.

It appears that there was barely any gap between these two ‘relationships’ (I’m not even sure I can call them that). Have you ever been single? Truly single, with no complicated arrangements. If so, how long for and did you enjoy it?[/quote]
@Sweetlikejollof

Good question. I think i had mostly overlaps or when i was it wasnt proper single or more like a cold war situation like 1 year of not seeing someone due to lockdown over which I broke up with a man. i ve always had exes hovering around and available at moments notice, so i dont know if i was ever truly single, i was alone alot even when
I was married, but single completely other than lockdown i cant recall.

I usually use one relationship to get me out of another.

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user1481055867 · 27/02/2022 23:36

@crackofdoom

There is nothing whatsoever wrong or heavy in asking a man you're having sex with if he likes you as a person- except that one would hope he'd let you know that without having to be asked. The fact that he behaved so bizarrely when you did is a whole May Day parade of red flags.

Also- autistic my arse. I'm autistic, and from my armchair I diagnose him as a common or garden twat.

@crackofdoom

This made me laugh!Thank you, i am almost scared to mention some of the other comments he made about women which i let pass due to him possibly being neurodivergent, but now i agree he is a garden twat.

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FiftyStoriesHigh · 27/02/2022 23:42

It shouldn’t be this complicated. You need to walk away.

Sweetlikejollof · 27/02/2022 23:43

@user1481055867 I thought that might be the case. So, essentially, you have had a series of unsatisfactory relationships with men who (from the sounds of it) aren’t very nice to you. You don’t know how to be single because you’ve never done it before and now you’ve got the added pressure of your family and friends screeching at you that you’re in your 40’s and need to find a man quickly. That sound about right?

Honestly, if that’s your situation, then don’t beat yourself up about it. It’s understandable that you feel the way that you do. However, it’s also nonsense. You don’t need to be in a relationship. It’s perfectly natural to want to be in a relationship, but it’s not a necessity. And the shitty relationships you’ve been posting about are considerably worse than being happily single, surely?

You deserve better than a polygamist. You deserve better than whatever the current nut job is. You deserve a version of you that recognises this and dismisses these fools immediately. I wish you the best of luck.

Katya213 · 27/02/2022 23:45

It’s got nothing to do with looks, if you’re going through all this already he is not that interested.

bluebell34567 · 27/02/2022 23:52

[quote Spacecadetagain]@user1481055867 there is your deal breaker - bleating about his dreadful ex and showing you texts on your First date - that’s a huge red flag , I wonder why the poor woman is so depressed , probably having him as the father of her kids . It’s manipulative and worrying . I wouldn’t have even entertained the idea of a second date with him[/quote]
so true.

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