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Asking if a man likes you after a month of dating?

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user1481055867 · 27/02/2022 21:04

Met divorced father of two, very devoted to the kids, despite 50/50 childcare split he seems to be doing 90% of the care in addition to what he says is a depressed ex-wife who is like a child #3. He wanted to date seriously, long term with a goal to get married. He wanted to take it slow to ensure he is not getting into a “honey trap” as he said he was used by women so many times, which was ok with me as I didn’t want to rush into anything. As I quickly realised sex was not subject to “not rushing into anything” deal, that needed to begin ASAP.
So, with the backdrop of “not rushing” he began looking for homes near me as oldest child is preparing for 11+ and he was looking to move to countryside. Of course, as helpful as women are I spent so much time helping with schools and homes searches, going to viewings etc. Everything seemed uneventful, talking daily, been to each other’s homes and just taking it easy. Too good to be true? Then it probably is.

Comes 14th of February, I did not expect anything at all and could not care either way about the day. We usually began to speak early mornings, that day he avoided any contact until late afternoon, which was fine as he was on half-term with kids. Eventually he contacted me saying he woke up late, I sent him some more property reports I found, which he thanked me saying I deserved a medal, as at this point, I helped him loads. I jokingly said "I would be waiting", and his response was “yeah keep waiting”. I felt like I am getting into some sub-servient dynamic where I did most of work and he felt like it’s a given and he is a prize to be won. So, I mentioned that he does not seem to be an affectionate person as most of his comments kind of cold, and most of his compliments so far were mostly sexual in nature or regarding my physical appearance, not so much about me as a person. Nearest to that he said that I was “easy to like” person naturally, as an attractive woman. That was the extent of it.

So… we got into “that conversation”. He admitted that I was not the 1st person to accuse him of not being affectionate, even his mother said he was cold, he didn’t remember when last he celebrated Valentines and didn’t believe in it. I made it clear it was a general comment and nothing to do with Valentines, "all I knew that he liked me on physical level, but I could not gauge if he liked me as a person".

The hell broke loose following that comment. He said he didn’t know what to say and needed time to think.. What followed was fusion of passive aggressive messaging, silent treatment and stonewalling. Few days later I asked if everything was ok as I was going away, and the response was literally “I didn’t like your comment. I told you I wanted to take things easy and didn’t want any pressure at such an early stage. Your inquisition by text raised a big red flag as I am going through my “commitment process”, so as I said he needed time to think.”

Am I being unreasonable wanting to know if a man liked me as a person following a month of dating and daily communication? It threw me so much, because I thought I was the one needed time to think as his proposition was to take on 52 year old man with “emotional and commitment issues”, 2 primary school children, requiring at least a decade long commitment, depressed mama drama and he wanted everything 50/50 as far a financial arrangement, which is a big ask on part of someone who is independent and without small kids. Did not sound as an equitable transaction to me, but I would not have minded if I grew to love that person.

I guess what I am trying to find out is - when it’s too soon to ask if someone liked you and how does that question translate into “pressure”? To me knowing you like someone is the beginning of the relationship, am I wrong?

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Lurking9to5 · 27/02/2022 21:44

''I don't like drama'' often seems to mean, ''I'm really going to mess with your head and you're not allowed to have any reaction to that at all.

Dated an avoidant man about 7 years ago and he said I don't like drama. Then He stood in the door way of my heart, neither in nor out for years, and when I eventually told him how he was hurting me, he considered it drama. I never contacted him again. EVER. The asshole. ''Drama''. It was pain, that he'd caused.

Merryoldgoat · 27/02/2022 21:44

He wanted to take it slow to ensure he is not getting into a “honey trap” as he said he was used by women so many times

This was your clue he’s a twat.

Lurking9to5 · 27/02/2022 21:45

Yes, sorry for really driving the point home here but by ''taking it slow'' he means owing you nothing.

Knutface · 27/02/2022 21:51

He is not a nice person. You can ask a nice, reasonable person what their feelings are towards you at any point. He is this horrible after a month, it won’t get better.

Spacecadetagain · 27/02/2022 21:52

@user1481055867 there is your deal breaker - bleating about his dreadful ex and showing you texts on your First date - that’s a huge red flag , I wonder why the poor woman is so depressed , probably having him as the father of her kids . It’s manipulative and worrying . I wouldn’t have even entertained the idea of a second date with him

Shainago · 27/02/2022 21:52

The guy is an impending doom.
For the love of all things holly, leave him!

Spacecadetagain · 27/02/2022 21:55

''I don't like drama'' often seems to mean, ''I'm really going to mess with your head and you're not allowed to have any reaction to that at all.

This - I don’t like drama is code for , I’m piece of shit who will treat you like shit and when you complain , I’ll accuse you of being “dramatic “ because how dare you question my behaviour

Rainbowshit · 27/02/2022 21:55

WTF have I just read?!?! Run for the hills!!

wingscrow · 27/02/2022 21:57

It just sounds like he is using you for sex and as a general unpaid help.

Why would you want to be with someone who in your own words cold, passive-aggressive and who is showing that he has little regards for your emotions and needs.

Plus there are other red flags: any man who tells you he has been 'used by women', has an ex who is 'like a child' and worries about 'honeytrap' is likely to be a misogynist with a habit of treating women poorly.

The question is not whether he likes you or but rather why would you want to have anything to do with this man?

whiteworldgettingwhiter · 27/02/2022 21:58

On our 1st date he literally showed me his text exchanges with her on the day of our date when he told her to piss off, was not a good start to a date.

Why, in the name of all that's holy, did you stay after this??

Shainago · 27/02/2022 21:59

@Spacecadetagain

''I don't like drama'' often seems to mean, ''I'm really going to mess with your head and you're not allowed to have any reaction to that at all.

This - I don’t like drama is code for , I’m piece of shit who will treat you like shit and when you complain , I’ll accuse you of being “dramatic “ because how dare you question my behaviour

This !!
LightSpeeds · 27/02/2022 22:01

Blimey. He wanted sex ASAP and you obliged as well as spending sh*t loads of your time helping him out with looking for schools and properties.

In return, you seem to have had precisely nothing that's kept you happy.

You have been a mug, I'm afraid. Find your self-esteem and tell him to get lost.

user1481055867 · 27/02/2022 22:04

@Lurking9to5

If you hadn't slept with him by now, he'd have dumped you and you'd have your answer i think. :-/ Wine

I'd run for the hills and honour your own agenda and your own pace next time.

@Lurking9to5 Well i thought we agreed to take it slow, but at the same time we are not teenagers, the man is 52, i am not into playing games to make someone wait for the sake of it for months. But i should have gone with my instinct and take it at my own pace to be honest.
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Regularsizedrudy · 27/02/2022 22:05

Basically youre his PA plus shag.
🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

MakeThingsRight · 27/02/2022 22:05

You are way too strong. I would run from you. You should run from each other.

"Depressed mama drama" seriously? Could you be any more insulting to someone you have never met.

Lurking9to5 · 27/02/2022 22:06

I read somewhere that allowing your natural pace to be rushed is a weak boundary. I have also failed to defend this exact same boundary in the past.

Lurking9to5 · 27/02/2022 22:12

I don't think it's playing a game to have a clear idea of 'when' feels right to you. He rushed you in to it and you allowed it because you didn't want to be perceived to be playing games. As though you had no right to your own pace! As though letting it be known that you would have wanted something different was a ''game''.

you're right, it's not a game. It's about what you want, what feels right to you.

I think you're trying to build something solid, but you're going about it the wrong way because there's no growing affection, respect , humour and kindness rolling out here with this man. Even if he wanted to be serious, would you want that?! Do you like him? Is he decent? Is he kind? Is he respectful to you? Does he value you! Is he prepared to work hard to win you over and not lose you?

It doesn't sound like there's any compatibility here.

I'd send him a text saying you feel you allowed yourself to be rushed and you're not feeling the affection you imagine was there and it all feels wrong. Wish him good luck house hunting.

You owe him nothing after a month, remember, he told you that he's taking it slow to avoid honey traps.

LottieePopssX · 27/02/2022 22:16

The first sentence is already too familiar to me... run while you still can

user1481055867 · 27/02/2022 22:17

@Lurking9to5

''I don't like drama'' often seems to mean, ''I'm really going to mess with your head and you're not allowed to have any reaction to that at all.

Dated an avoidant man about 7 years ago and he said I don't like drama. Then He stood in the door way of my heart, neither in nor out for years, and when I eventually told him how he was hurting me, he considered it drama. I never contacted him again. EVER. The asshole. ''Drama''. It was pain, that he'd caused.

@Lurking9to5 Goodness so much time wasted....In the end they seem to put themselves first. Even his entitlement to take time to think and then read me the verdict, what makes him think he can afford that? Is like a training for a longhaul type of emotional rollercoasters...
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HundredMilesAnHour · 27/02/2022 22:20

On our 1st date he literally showed me his text exchanges with her on the day of our date when he told her to piss off, was not a good start to a date.

This is when you should have walked away. This was a whole parade of red flags. There should never have even been a 2nd date. What were you thinking OP??!!

Cocomarine · 27/02/2022 22:25

This is all on you for being foolish enough to put up with this shit and run around doing his life admin for him. Where is your sense woman?! Get him gone.

Sweetlikejollof · 27/02/2022 22:26

Why on Earth are you putting up with any of this?

  • On your first date, he was showing you text exchanges with his ex.
  • He appears to have massively overshared with you, considering the timescale.
  • He wants to ‘take it slow’ regarding everything except shagging you.
  • He pays you no non-sexual compliments.
  • He’s looking at places near you despite only knowing you a month (in bold, as you don’t seem to appreciate how INSANE that is).
  • You’re somehow acting as his unpaid PA.

Most women with healthy boundaries and self respect would have laughed in his face and walked away quite some time ago. Possibly on date one, to be honest. You did not and have not. Why is that, OP? Why does any of this seem acceptable to you?

echt · 27/02/2022 22:27

He wants to take it slow but still have sex? Mutually exclusive I'd have thought. If you have to ask if someone likes you, they don't.

He sounds horrible: kick him to the kerb.

HelloKittyGirl · 27/02/2022 22:27

Apart from anything else, why would he be looking to move after a month of dating?!! This is WAY too soon and asking for trouble, especially for someone with kids to uproot.

Kite22 · 27/02/2022 22:30

@LightSpeeds

Blimey. He wanted sex ASAP and you obliged as well as spending sh*t loads of your time helping him out with looking for schools and properties.

In return, you seem to have had precisely nothing that's kept you happy.

You have been a mug, I'm afraid. Find your self-esteem and tell him to get lost.

This.

After him showing you those texts on the first date, I can't even begin to understand why you had a second date with him.

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