To wish we were back in the EU

[Poetrypatty]

This situation in Ukraine and seeing how the EU has responded to it all has made me miss being in the EU and want to be back in rather than just out on a limb on our own. I wondered what MNers think
YABU - better off as we are
YANBU - wish we were back in the EU

UvdL a sensible leader? Clearly you know nothing about her. Read up on her political career.

@worriedatthemoment but the Scottish first minister wants more. She's not just saying it then will change her mind if it happens. They'd be welcomed like all the refugees from Syria and Afghanistan have too. It's not a case of easy for them to say, it's frustrating to not have the option to do so. She's stated this very publicly!

and of course they then are here being supported for years whilst they drag out the appeals to stay

What an unfair statement. They aren't dragging out their appeals to stay, I'm sure they don't want to be in barracks, unable to work, for years on end.
The border control budget has been decimated and immigration tribunals fell by 1/3 in 2021

I didn't think we should leave the EU, then we left and they were so childish I became glad we left.
I don't think Ursula is really great, especially in this situation - 'Among friends and foes alike, von der Leyen’s stewardship of the defense ministry, which she has headed since 2014, is regarded as a failure.' I guess that's why she suddenly wanting to throw money at it now....Mind you just like Truss she apparently liked a good photo op with military equipment so maybe it's just so she has something to pose with.
Plenty of countries in the EU haven't covered themselves in glory. Hungary are refusing to let any weapons go through there to get to the Ukranians, Italy asked for luxury goods for Oligarchs to be excluded from sanctions, Germany wanted an exemption on the energy sector and have refused to block Russia from SWIFT. Many leaders also apparently don't want to prevent visa free travel for Russian diplomats either. Everyone's out for themselves don't you worry.

I never wanted to leave in the first place, and the signs are that the economic direction the U.K. was going will accelerate massively without the EU - ie privatisation, inequality, impoverishment for the many. What the richest do with all that wealth is beyond me. I’d be very happy to rejoin.

This thread is kind of ironic given the mumsnet pile ons about brexiteers being uninformed (I didn’t vote so don’t bother having a go). Also Germany reversed their policies pretty much after everyone else, thats hardly leading from the front is it.

Tbh I do have some sympathy for the EU it’s difficult to martial that many countries into a cohesive and clear direction, they all have different concerns, it’s no easy task. BUT they will hopefully be able to better co-ordinate now they seem to be roughly on the same page and their sanctions can have more weight, more pressure can be applied to lagging countries.

What difference does it make to the Ukrainian crisis? We're in nato. We have put in sanctions, we are letting in refugees.

Germany is still dependent on Russian gas despite halting the pipeline. How stupid a decision was it to rely on Russia like that? The EU doesn't really act as one, they act in their own interest

I don't think it's factually accurate that the EU have responded more quickly than us? Have you got any evidence for that? It's obviously surely that getting agreement with 27 is going to be more difficult than a single Government taking decisions.

Of course you're entitled to feel as you do but I don't think the facts support your argument.

@liveforsummer yes of course she does

The most important issue is Ukraine. And what the Ukrainian people want is to be in the EU.

Perhaps they can fill the vacancy left by UK. They’ve shown how willing they are to fight for their democracy, surely they deserve it.

And to pp who said Germany has become too reliant on Russian gas, that’s absolutely true and a fair point.

But in the same way, the Conservative party have become too reliant on Russian money/donations. Dom Cummings/Farage/Banks/vote leave, all linked to Russian money. Putin supported Brexit. If that doesn’t ring alarm bells among Brexiteers, I don’t know what will.

Yes I remember putin being incredibly keen on brexit. Wonder why 😏

I think governments have turned a blind eye to Russia apart from those that felt under threat.

Russian money is everywhere, business with Russian companies has been good for both sides

Ukraine has been telling us all for years and we all ignored them why because we were to comfortable it suited us too

Left/right EU non EU all are guilty to being driven by money

@liveforsummer I think you will find that in this instance the west, and indeed the majority of the world has United against him. Probably the opposite of what he wanted, we are part of Europe but not in the EU.

@Poetrypatty

Do your Brexit bashing elsewhere, don’t use the horrific situation in Ukraine

That says more about your attitude than mine. I miss the EU, I see the EU countries as our friends and allies, and I miss them and being part of it all the more in the wake of what's happened. You don't get that or don't feel that way, fine. But I do feel that way and I miss being in the EU right now.

I think it is rather disgusting to use the terrible, terrible situation in Ukraine to indulge in Brexit bashing and complaining that Johnson doesn't brush his hair.

There are many reasons to argue against Brexit and many criticisms that can be levelled at the PM but this seems a self indulgent pile on.

Interesting vote on this one ... looks like the silent majority are still out there

Seeing Ursula von der leyen made me miss sensible leaders

My god but that's a short memory you have!

What to do with an eight year old who doesn't want to get blood tests or have dental treatment? She panics and gets very distressed and refuses to let anyone treat her.

Has anyone else had a similar experience with dealing with a child who gets very anxious.

I think Johnson has done OK

I cannot think of a single instance when that applies. The man is criminally negligent, lazy, incompetent, mendacious, opportunist, greedy, corrupt and self-serving.

It's being in NATO that gives us security, not the EU, which is mendacious, self serving, opportunistic, and corrupt.

@SamphiretheStickerist

Seeing Ursula von der leyen made me miss sensible leaders

My god but that's a short memory you have!

Quite!

@TeaAndBunsPlease

What to do with an eight year old who doesn't want to get blood tests or have dental treatment? She panics and gets very distressed and refuses to let anyone treat her.

Has anyone else had a similar experience with dealing with a child who gets very anxious.

Better to start your own separate thread on that.

@x2boys

This is just another i hate brexit thread really isn't it and just using the situation in the Ukraine to make a point .

Indeed.

I think some posters (not necessarily the OP) just love disaster and bad things happening as it all can then be blamed on Brexit and Boris.

They are gleeful about it. They'll be posting from their nuclear fallout shelters in a few years time saying that none of this would've happened if thick Northeners hadn't voted for Brexit.

No one has mentioned thick anyone.

There is a documented link with Johnson/Dom Cummings - Brexit - Vote Leave - Tory party donations from compromised Russian money and Putin.

Johnson put a close Russian friend in the H of Lords. It all links back to Putin. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.

No one is going to take your Brexit from you, nor does the EU particularly want the UK back atm, but I hope that one of the consequences from this awful war in Ukraine, is that the whole dirty Russian money swilling around the Conservative party and UK politics is cleaned up once and for all.