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AIBU?

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To think my brother is in an emotionally abusive relationship

60 replies

Mozt · 26/02/2022 17:12

Sorry, this is long but where possible I don’t want to drip feed. Have NC for this.

My brother has been married for over 10 years and has two young DC. His wife, my SIL has always been the more dominant one in their relationship.

Over this past couple of years, I (as well as my parents and siblings) have been getting increasingly concerned over how my brother is being treated by SIL. She is openly critical of him in front of us, calls him a wanker, useless, an arsehole etc for the smallest transgression - eg. forgetting to do some chore she’s asked him to do. She has also in the past called him a c**t in front of their children.

My brother does all the school runs, makes all the family meals, takes his two DC out at the weekend “to give mum some peace”, but this is never reciprocated. He also does all the homeworks, bathtimes, bedtimes and takes the kids to their activities and appointments. He is a great dad to his DC and even SIL begrudgingly admitted this to me once, but in such a way that implied she thought he was shit at everything else.

SIL is by far the main breadwinner in their house, in a very well-paid professional role. My brother’s job pays significantly less. My SIL will insist on multiple family holidays abroad every year and that half the cost of these must be met by my brother, though he can barely afford this as it also “his responsibility” to meet certain household bills such as fuel. I also learned recently that she won’t tell him how much she earns.

Meanwhile, my brother says he feels guilty for buying so much as a cup of coffee and can’t afford new clothes. He dreads his (second hand) car breaking down as he can’t afford to fix it, but SIL recently treated herself to a brand new car.

She also appears to resent him spending time with our parents or our other siblings, and often after he visits my mum and dad she will start a massive row with him when he returns home, then not speak to him for days, so he feels he has to ‘make it up’ to her eg. by cleaning all of the house or taking the kids out of her way.

The worst thing to witness though is the change in my brother’s personality over the past few years. He seems constantly stressed out, on edge, and just generally unhappy; he has developed a nervous tremor in his hands. He is not allowed to go out with the one or two friends he has, or spend any time on hobbies he’s had for years, saying “[SIL] doesn’t like it.” He says he “doesn’t dare ask her” if he can do any of these things in case of a negative reaction such as her not speaking to him for days. He actually seems frightened of her, tbh.

When anyone in our family tells him we’re worried about him, my brother will just blame himself for never doing/saying the right thing. He seems to constantly be walking on eggshells.

My brother is a sensitive, romantic sort who has always wanted to settle down and have a family, but it doesn’t seem like his wife even loves or values him. He is treated like a skivvy and a free babysitter; I find it awful to witness. My family and I fear he will have some sort of breakdown, or worse.

AIBU to think this is an emotionally abusive relationship and if so, how can I /our family help him?

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krankykittykat · 26/02/2022 17:14

Yanbu
Have you broached this with him before?

LibrariesGiveUsPower · 26/02/2022 17:17

YANBU, classic financial abuse. Have you spoken to him about it?

oakleaffy · 26/02/2022 17:18

Yes, it does sound a rather bullying relationship.
Men can be ferociously bullied by women, but it is a bit of a taboo subject.
If he is actually intimidated and afraid of her, perhaps he should think about calling it a day.

YoComoManzanas · 26/02/2022 17:19

It does indeed sound abusive. Can you offer space for him to leave her? Perhaps a 'holiday' at your house for a week so he might realise the difference. I presume when a person is in the midst of this abuse they can't really acknowledge or recognise it. Perhaps he could phone up a charity such as samaritans or citizens advice?
It's sad looking in on this and feeling helpless.

Cosmos123 · 26/02/2022 17:20

If it was a woman you would tell her to leave.
No difference if it is a man.

He can have shared custody and a much happier life.

VainAbigail · 26/02/2022 17:21

Op have you posted this before? Its ringing lots of bells.

oakleaffy · 26/02/2022 17:21

@Mozt
Imagine if you had switched their genders.
People would be saying “ He’s a controlling narcissistic bully”

That's what your SIL is being to your brother.

He needs to leave.

RandomMess · 26/02/2022 17:23

He will be far happier and better off financially by leaving. Sounds like he's the main carer?

Perhaps he could take the DC to his parents for a couple of weeks at Easter to have a break from SIL?

MarshmallowSwede · 26/02/2022 17:27

Yes it’s abuse and your brother is lucky to have a family that cares about him. Please help support him to get out of this relationship. He deserves better.

wanttomarryamillionaire · 26/02/2022 17:35

It depends if he is ready to acknowledge that his relationship is that bad. I have an acquaintance who treats her DH this way and i have spoken to him about my concerns for him. However he is not ready to acknowledge just how bad it is and has also stated that he knows that if he leaves she will use the DC to make his life miserable.

debwong · 26/02/2022 17:56

He sounds like that poor man in Motherland.

Please encourage him to think about leaving.

Maggie178 · 26/02/2022 17:58

If she's like that in front of you and your family she may be far worse in private

drpet49 · 26/02/2022 17:59

** Imagine if you had switched their genders.
People would be saying “ He’s a controlling narcissistic bully”

That's what your SIL is being to your brother.

He needs to leave.**

^This

bluejelly · 26/02/2022 18:01

So sorry she sounds awful and abusive.

oviraptor21 · 26/02/2022 18:01

He should be encouraged to contact one of the organisations listed here. Alternatively, you could contact them so you can give your brother the best help possible.
www.citizensadvice.org.uk/family/gender-violence/domestic-violence-and-abuse-getting-help/#h-organisations-for-men

Pumperthepumper · 26/02/2022 18:03

He could contact citizens’ advice but aside from that, my advice is to let him know you’re there for him when he’s ready to leave and support him practically.

TellySavalashairbrush · 26/02/2022 18:05

I'd second getting in touch with the organisations the pp has mentioned. He may not be ready to do anything about his dreadful situation yet, but having a loving family member who knows how to support him when he is ready would be very useful.

Mozt · 26/02/2022 18:05

@wanttomarryamillionaire yes, I think this is part of the problem - when asked about it, he’ll deflect and blame himself rather than acknowledge how bad the situation is.

@oakleaffy I absolutely agree he needs to leave and wonder if it would be unreasonable to just tell him so, even if he never asks me what he should do.

@LibrariesGiveUsPower some of it I’ve witnessed, some he’s told other family members about, but he seems to be opening up more and more to family recently and I can’t help but feel things must be getting even worse.

I imagine he is worried that SIL will try to take full custody of the kids (even though she usually doesn’t bother that much with them) just to spite him, and that she might be successful since she is the one with the more financially stable position. But surely that’s not all that is examined in these matters?

@VainAbigail I haven’t posted about this before, no.

If

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Mozt · 26/02/2022 18:06

@Maggie178

If she's like that in front of you and your family she may be far worse in private
I think so too :(
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Mozt · 26/02/2022 18:07

[quote oviraptor21]He should be encouraged to contact one of the organisations listed here. Alternatively, you could contact them so you can give your brother the best help possible.
www.citizensadvice.org.uk/family/gender-violence/domestic-violence-and-abuse-getting-help/#h-organisations-for-men[/quote]
Thank you, that’s a really good idea.

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nanbread · 26/02/2022 18:07

I'm surprised you have to ask tbh.

This is so obviously, unequivocally abusive.

Your poor brother.

I wonder if there is a freedom programme for men?

Terfydactyl · 26/02/2022 18:09

Wouldnt you just do the same as if it was a woman going through this?

Let him know you'll be there when he decides to leave, outright state that this is not normal, direct him to phone numbers and organisations that will be useful (without putting him in more danger at home) etc

Lalastepmum · 26/02/2022 18:20

Please get him to call a DA charity or the national helpline. They can give him advice. Depending where you are there are solicitors who give free advice too. He can speak to Menkind or men’s advice line
There are male refuges and some have space for children too. But he has to be ready.

I work in this field more than happy to help.

Mozt · 26/02/2022 18:21

@nanbread

I'm surprised you have to ask tbh.

This is so obviously, unequivocally abusive.

Your poor brother.

I wonder if there is a freedom programme for men?

Well perhaps I could have worded it more as ‘AIBU to tell my brother I think he’s in an abusive relationship’.

He hasn’t asked me directly for advice but it feels like this can’t go on. I’m so worried about him.

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Onlyforcake · 26/02/2022 18:26

He will be better off without her, as would the kids.

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