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To think my brother is in an emotionally abusive relationship

60 replies

Mozt · 26/02/2022 17:12

Sorry, this is long but where possible I don’t want to drip feed. Have NC for this.

My brother has been married for over 10 years and has two young DC. His wife, my SIL has always been the more dominant one in their relationship.

Over this past couple of years, I (as well as my parents and siblings) have been getting increasingly concerned over how my brother is being treated by SIL. She is openly critical of him in front of us, calls him a wanker, useless, an arsehole etc for the smallest transgression - eg. forgetting to do some chore she’s asked him to do. She has also in the past called him a c**t in front of their children.

My brother does all the school runs, makes all the family meals, takes his two DC out at the weekend “to give mum some peace”, but this is never reciprocated. He also does all the homeworks, bathtimes, bedtimes and takes the kids to their activities and appointments. He is a great dad to his DC and even SIL begrudgingly admitted this to me once, but in such a way that implied she thought he was shit at everything else.

SIL is by far the main breadwinner in their house, in a very well-paid professional role. My brother’s job pays significantly less. My SIL will insist on multiple family holidays abroad every year and that half the cost of these must be met by my brother, though he can barely afford this as it also “his responsibility” to meet certain household bills such as fuel. I also learned recently that she won’t tell him how much she earns.

Meanwhile, my brother says he feels guilty for buying so much as a cup of coffee and can’t afford new clothes. He dreads his (second hand) car breaking down as he can’t afford to fix it, but SIL recently treated herself to a brand new car.

She also appears to resent him spending time with our parents or our other siblings, and often after he visits my mum and dad she will start a massive row with him when he returns home, then not speak to him for days, so he feels he has to ‘make it up’ to her eg. by cleaning all of the house or taking the kids out of her way.

The worst thing to witness though is the change in my brother’s personality over the past few years. He seems constantly stressed out, on edge, and just generally unhappy; he has developed a nervous tremor in his hands. He is not allowed to go out with the one or two friends he has, or spend any time on hobbies he’s had for years, saying “[SIL] doesn’t like it.” He says he “doesn’t dare ask her” if he can do any of these things in case of a negative reaction such as her not speaking to him for days. He actually seems frightened of her, tbh.

When anyone in our family tells him we’re worried about him, my brother will just blame himself for never doing/saying the right thing. He seems to constantly be walking on eggshells.

My brother is a sensitive, romantic sort who has always wanted to settle down and have a family, but it doesn’t seem like his wife even loves or values him. He is treated like a skivvy and a free babysitter; I find it awful to witness. My family and I fear he will have some sort of breakdown, or worse.

AIBU to think this is an emotionally abusive relationship and if so, how can I /our family help him?

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ShaneTwane · 26/02/2022 18:29

Your poor brother. You absolutely have to be there for him no matter what. He might try and start fights or push you all away but right now is when he needs you the most. Is he afraid of losing his children to her if he tries to leave?

Matildalamp · 26/02/2022 19:04

Yes it’s abuse, your poor brother. He’d be much better off without her, as would the children I’m sure.

Mozt · 26/02/2022 19:09

@ShaneTwane

Your poor brother. You absolutely have to be there for him no matter what. He might try and start fights or push you all away but right now is when he needs you the most. Is he afraid of losing his children to her if he tries to leave?
I think that's it exactly. Most of the time SIL seems content to have little to do with the children, but I've no doubt she would try to take them away from him completely out of spite - even though she has acknowledged herself in the past that he's a good dad.
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Seemslikeagoodidea · 26/02/2022 19:32

So sad. There are so many tales on here of fathers who don't help with housework or childcare at all, but your brother sounds like he's doing the lion's share of everything, with nothing in return but contempt. You can offer your support and understanding, but he has to make his own choices. Perhaps show him this thread, so he can see what strangers can see so clearly, having the basic facts, with the benefit of emotional distance.

Unless you have left out a massive amount of mitigating circumstances, this seems like abuse to me.

MissMaple82 · 26/02/2022 19:34

Yes this is abuse. He probably won't want to admit to it. All you can do is educate him on it. Its also counted as neglect on the children - they should be protected from seeing and hearing harmful or violent things. Very very damaging to all. He needs to get out the relationship

whiteworldgettingwhiter · 26/02/2022 19:36

Oh your poor brother. Sounds like classic abuse. Can you talk to him? What do you do when his wife calls him names in public?? Do you just sit there or do you call her out on it?

Can you help him leave/get help?

MissMaple82 · 26/02/2022 19:37

I was in an abusive relationship and I constantly blamed myself, its classic behaviour. It also very nearly cost me my life. But nothing anybody says can make you leave them until you finally reach the point were you cannot take anymore. Just keep talking to him about it and supporting him and talk about the impact to the children.once I did finally leave my children needed therapy

Cosmos123 · 26/02/2022 19:45

If someone called my brother these things in front of me I would address it THEN AND THERE.

Cosmos123 · 26/02/2022 19:45

Or there and then

Chocolatehamper · 26/02/2022 19:46

When your SIL has been verbally abusive to your DB in front of you, has anyone ever pulled her up on it? If so, how did she react?

Would pointing out her attitude be enough to show her what she's doing or do you think it would cause your DB more grief? Certainly not making any excuses for abuse, but does she have pressure at work that she can't control and so exerts that control at home instead?

How old are the children? They are the innocent victims in this and need to be protected.

Good on you for looking out for your DB, he needs your help and strength to stand up for himself and his children.

balalake · 26/02/2022 19:54

Yes an abusive relationship. I agree with others that the children need to be protected above all else.

Usou · 26/02/2022 19:57

My DP's brother was in a very similar situation for about 20 years, and also developed the hand tremor you describe.

He finally died from heart failure in his early 50s a few years back after leading a dog's life.

It was miserable to watch, and we really wished we'd advised him to get out, but he'd lost any sense of self by then.

Definitely LTB.

SisterConcepta · 26/02/2022 20:45

This is clearly domestic abuse. He has normalised her behaviour which is what happens all the time so he doesn’t even realise how bad it is. Please call for advice
www.mankind.org.uk/

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 26/02/2022 20:51

Yes I agree entirely that she’s abusive. He should definitely start to take steps towards leaving her.

I don’t know why anyone is saying “if the genders were reversed, she’d (ie the woman in your brother’s shoes) be told this is abusive and to LTB” - this is the exact advise that is being given for OP’s brother.

Pen2756 · 26/02/2022 21:05

This is abuse. Plain and simple. Please see how you can help your brother, offering for him to stay with you etc

FangsForTheMemory · 26/02/2022 21:09

Show him this thread. It looks like financial as well as emotional abuse, at the very least. Is there any indication of physical violence?

Darbs76 · 26/02/2022 21:16

I have a colleague in a similar position but not the financial part as she earns the same, though I don’t know about their family finances. He does everything, she treats him like crap and he has slept on the sofa for 10yrs. He opened up to me and I do know more due to being neighbours in the past, but he won’t leave her. He said he doesn’t want to leave the kids with her and financially can’t afford it as she will claim any benefits and want to have custody purely for that. He’s got another 8yrs until the youngest is 18, I truly hope he finds the courage to leave her, as he’s a really lovely guy and deserves so much more. Your brother definitely needs to leave this woman, but will he? Will he want to risk not seeing as much of the kids? Same as my colleague

Mozt · 26/02/2022 21:56

@Cosmos123 I have! She doesn’t care.

@Chocolatehamper the kids are primary school age. I dread to think what they are witnessing at home and how this will impact them as they grow up. I’ve no doubt her job must be stressful, but I can’t excuse her behaviour.

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Violetparis · 26/02/2022 22:05

Your poor brother. Do you or your family speak up when she calls him names in front of you ? If not, I would start and let her know it's abuse.

bruce43mydog · 26/02/2022 22:07

All families argue from time to time and sometimes you are not proud of the words or actions you say or do. My family sound the same as the op. But the love always bring us close again. Usually with 10 minutes we all forget what we were arguing and swearing about.

A walk always clears the mind.

But if your concerned about it spiralling to abuse. You might need to talk with him.

Cosmos123 · 26/02/2022 22:24

See Gp. Get counselling and support from social services.
Also report to police if required.

One day her friemds and employers etc will know what a bitch she is.

Chocolatehamper · 26/02/2022 22:29

[quote Mozt]@Cosmos123 I have! She doesn’t care.

@Chocolatehamper the kids are primary school age. I dread to think what they are witnessing at home and how this will impact them as they grow up. I’ve no doubt her job must be stressful, but I can’t excuse her behaviour.[/quote]

Absolutely! There is never an excuse, I speak as someone who grew up in a house where abuse was a regular event.

Please show your brother this, help him to help himself and his children.

willstarttomorrow · 26/02/2022 22:43

OP I work in child protection and come across situations like this more often than people realise. I have worked with men to get out who will never articulate they are the victim of domestic abuse. It depends how able/open your brother is for help but Google DV services near you. Ask if there is a helpline your brother can talk to. He may not feel ready to leave but encourage him to talk things through so he knows his options when/if ready.

OhWhyNot · 26/02/2022 22:49

Yes absolutely abusive

Emotionally and financially

Her abuse impacts her children too they are growing up witnessing this it’s damaging to them

Her job is stressful so what that has nothing to do with her behaviour.

I hope your brother can leave and get full custody (unlikely)

Alisae · 26/02/2022 22:58

Oh god, sorry but is this my sisters ex?!

She was the higher earner, and her DH was the laziest person to ever walk the Earth. He didn’t want to work more than a few part time hours, so made a deal with dsis that he would do the school runs, some dinners and start doing his share of the housework. What this usually translated to was that he’d drink, chat to other women online and game all day then pretend he’d been rushed off his feet. He’d occasionally throw some junk food in the oven for the kids, and the house was often filthy when she got home. Sometimes he’s spend all the spare money on drink but deny it so she had started to squirrel some away so the children always had necessities.

I’d go round to drop something off sometimes and he’d suddenly turn off his Xbox and pretend he was in the middle of rushing around cleaning.

This thread only made me think of it as for some inexplicable reason his parents and sister thought he did absolutely EVERYTHING (because he told them he did Hmm) and was some sort of cross between a non stop 50’s housewife and Eddie Murphy in ‘Daddy Daycare’.

They sent her lots of abusive messages (after she actually found out what he was really doing all day for most of the week) and really held it against her that she had once snapped and called him a dick infront of them.

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