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To think my brother is in an emotionally abusive relationship

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Mozt · 26/02/2022 17:12

Sorry, this is long but where possible I don’t want to drip feed. Have NC for this.

My brother has been married for over 10 years and has two young DC. His wife, my SIL has always been the more dominant one in their relationship.

Over this past couple of years, I (as well as my parents and siblings) have been getting increasingly concerned over how my brother is being treated by SIL. She is openly critical of him in front of us, calls him a wanker, useless, an arsehole etc for the smallest transgression - eg. forgetting to do some chore she’s asked him to do. She has also in the past called him a c**t in front of their children.

My brother does all the school runs, makes all the family meals, takes his two DC out at the weekend “to give mum some peace”, but this is never reciprocated. He also does all the homeworks, bathtimes, bedtimes and takes the kids to their activities and appointments. He is a great dad to his DC and even SIL begrudgingly admitted this to me once, but in such a way that implied she thought he was shit at everything else.

SIL is by far the main breadwinner in their house, in a very well-paid professional role. My brother’s job pays significantly less. My SIL will insist on multiple family holidays abroad every year and that half the cost of these must be met by my brother, though he can barely afford this as it also “his responsibility” to meet certain household bills such as fuel. I also learned recently that she won’t tell him how much she earns.

Meanwhile, my brother says he feels guilty for buying so much as a cup of coffee and can’t afford new clothes. He dreads his (second hand) car breaking down as he can’t afford to fix it, but SIL recently treated herself to a brand new car.

She also appears to resent him spending time with our parents or our other siblings, and often after he visits my mum and dad she will start a massive row with him when he returns home, then not speak to him for days, so he feels he has to ‘make it up’ to her eg. by cleaning all of the house or taking the kids out of her way.

The worst thing to witness though is the change in my brother’s personality over the past few years. He seems constantly stressed out, on edge, and just generally unhappy; he has developed a nervous tremor in his hands. He is not allowed to go out with the one or two friends he has, or spend any time on hobbies he’s had for years, saying “[SIL] doesn’t like it.” He says he “doesn’t dare ask her” if he can do any of these things in case of a negative reaction such as her not speaking to him for days. He actually seems frightened of her, tbh.

When anyone in our family tells him we’re worried about him, my brother will just blame himself for never doing/saying the right thing. He seems to constantly be walking on eggshells.

My brother is a sensitive, romantic sort who has always wanted to settle down and have a family, but it doesn’t seem like his wife even loves or values him. He is treated like a skivvy and a free babysitter; I find it awful to witness. My family and I fear he will have some sort of breakdown, or worse.

AIBU to think this is an emotionally abusive relationship and if so, how can I /our family help him?

OP posts:
LHommeRose · 26/02/2022 23:39

I have a male friend in a similar position. The wife is a narcissist and has everyone on eggshells with her tantrums.
The problem you will face is the denial; the victim is brainwashed, radicalised and will protect the abuser at all costs.
I’m convinced she lives inside his head. He seems to feel obliged to confess things to her as well.
You can help him to articulate all of this and try to get him to see it’s abuse but the minimising will be painful.

willstarttomorrow · 26/02/2022 23:53

Just to add, if your brother is ready to leave at any point and involve the family courts, they are of understanding male victims of DA as female. If he has PR then he can act to protect his children in the same way a female partner can. So if he has real concens about a child's welfare- both having PR- he can refuse to send a child home. It happens a lot, usually when the other parent's life is spiralling for whatever reason.

5128gap · 27/02/2022 08:38

Of course he is. But there is no practical reason he can't leave. He has a job and a supportive family. The barriers to leaving are internal, and only he can overcome them. You have tried and failed to appeal to his self interest, ie, his life would be better, so I wonder if a change of approach may help, and whether his children are the key to it. Perhaps if you could gently help him see the damage they are both doing to the children in allowing them to grow up in this dynamic, he may find the strength for them.

Chocolatehamper · 27/02/2022 10:15

@Alisae

Oh god, sorry but is this my sisters ex?!

She was the higher earner, and her DH was the laziest person to ever walk the Earth. He didn’t want to work more than a few part time hours, so made a deal with dsis that he would do the school runs, some dinners and start doing his share of the housework. What this usually translated to was that he’d drink, chat to other women online and game all day then pretend he’d been rushed off his feet. He’d occasionally throw some junk food in the oven for the kids, and the house was often filthy when she got home. Sometimes he’s spend all the spare money on drink but deny it so she had started to squirrel some away so the children always had necessities.

I’d go round to drop something off sometimes and he’d suddenly turn off his Xbox and pretend he was in the middle of rushing around cleaning.

This thread only made me think of it as for some inexplicable reason his parents and sister thought he did absolutely EVERYTHING (because he told them he did Hmm) and was some sort of cross between a non stop 50’s housewife and Eddie Murphy in ‘Daddy Daycare’.

They sent her lots of abusive messages (after she actually found out what he was really doing all day for most of the week) and really held it against her that she had once snapped and called him a dick infront of them.

Did you actually read the OP's post?

This is nothing like nor remotely similar to how you describe your sister's ex.

Alisae · 27/02/2022 14:36

@Chocolatehamper, actually the way op’s brother is described in the post is almost exactly word for word what my ex bil’s family think he is like.

I’m sure it’s not (mainly as they are now living separately) but it really was uncanny! In their eyes bil did EVERYTHING and was a poor put upon house husband whose wife was a screeching harridan.

Chocolatehamper · 27/02/2022 14:52

@Alisae - the OP's brother has a job. He works as well as his wife. And he does everything around the house, and cares for the children and does the school run etc. From the way you described your DS ex, he was a cocklodger, pure and simple. She's well off without him but if they're only now living separately, did you not see the part about the OP's brother being married for 10 years?
I appreciate you worry for your sister but these two are not related and not similar from the description!

WalkingOnTheCracks · 27/02/2022 15:20

@Alisae

Oh god, sorry but is this my sisters ex?!

She was the higher earner, and her DH was the laziest person to ever walk the Earth. He didn’t want to work more than a few part time hours, so made a deal with dsis that he would do the school runs, some dinners and start doing his share of the housework. What this usually translated to was that he’d drink, chat to other women online and game all day then pretend he’d been rushed off his feet. He’d occasionally throw some junk food in the oven for the kids, and the house was often filthy when she got home. Sometimes he’s spend all the spare money on drink but deny it so she had started to squirrel some away so the children always had necessities.

I’d go round to drop something off sometimes and he’d suddenly turn off his Xbox and pretend he was in the middle of rushing around cleaning.

This thread only made me think of it as for some inexplicable reason his parents and sister thought he did absolutely EVERYTHING (because he told them he did Hmm) and was some sort of cross between a non stop 50’s housewife and Eddie Murphy in ‘Daddy Daycare’.

They sent her lots of abusive messages (after she actually found out what he was really doing all day for most of the week) and really held it against her that she had once snapped and called him a dick infront of them.

That whooshing sound you heard was the point going way over your head.
Alisae · 27/02/2022 15:34

No need to get snarky. I just said it sounded exactly how ex bills family described him.

Dsis and Bil were married for over ten years.

Bil worked, he just wasn’t the bread winner so had more days off.

Bil made out to all of his family that he did EVERYTHING around the house and did all the childcare, when he did the absolute bare minimum, drove dsis up the wall with low level emotional abuse/insecurity.

Mozt · 27/02/2022 17:02

@Alisae are you implying my brother is making it up?

Did you miss the part where I said she is openly critical of him in front of family members? Even her own former work colleagues have commented on it, having overheard her on the phone to him.

SIL never tries to hide her behaviour. She just isn’t at all ashamed of it. It is only very recently my brother has started to speak of it at all - before that, he didn’t even like anyone to criticise her.

Maybe he would have to show up with a few bruises or a black eye for the likes of you to take him seriously. Any wonder victims of emotional abuse worry they won’t be believed.

OP posts:
Alisae · 27/02/2022 17:48

@Mozt I’m very sorry for what is happening to your brother, clearly he is not the same person as my bil.

Of course emotional abuse is very real. I guess your post hit a nerve because bil’s family were clearly convinced he was being emotionally abused. And told everyone that was so. When it was in fact him who was abusing her by stressing her to high heaven, then making her look ‘crazy’.

Dsis did lose her rag at bil in front of people. On one occasion where she had finished work, already stressed then quickly had to clean up the bomb site of a house, sort the dc who hadn’t been looked after since arriving home from school and then prepare a meal for his family. When they arrived, he sat there fanning his face and complaining about how tired he was and openly lied right in front of her about how much he’d just done that day (after he’d just come down from an hour ‘poo’ and turned his Xbox off. She snapped and called him a lazy piece of work.

Both your brother and my poor sister suffered emotional abuse, it’s insipid. I will leave your thread now Flowers

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