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AIBU to feel 'Ouch'?

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winsomewoman · 26/02/2022 11:53

We had dinner last night with a couple of friends we hadn't seen for a long time and we were talking about all the things we'd been through over the years we've know each other.

When DP and I got together I arrived with a fairly clean slate. I'd already been through some of the more complicated things in life: my parents had both died young, I'd looked after my mum through the last year of her cancer and I'd ended up losing my home when my long-term relationship came to an end. So I was starting out fresh and unencumbered when DP and I met.

DP had been separated for a year and was about to start self-building a new home. We had a lovely first few months before the shit hit the fan and all the stress of a self-build, plus DP's acrimonious divorce, hit. We weathered that, with me providing support.

Then DP started a business and invited an old friend to be a partner. It took off quickly and they made serious money — at which point the old friend tried to take the whole business for himself and dump DP. The legal wrangling and civil court proceedings went on for four excruciating years, with the threat of bankruptcy hanging over DP. DP won, but it cost £150k, broke the business and left us both depressed and worn down.

Then DP's parents, in their late 70s, began to ail. Almost every time we had a holiday due, DP's dad would have a heart attack or a TIA: he had nine in all! DP's mum started to develop dementia. DP's family are in Scotland and DP was up and down most months for years. Until the mother died nearly three years ago barely a week went by without some new complication or emergency. This went on for more than seven years. We spent Christmas apart year after year. We'd organise Christmas with my family or friends, then there'd be an emergency with the in-laws and I'd be celebrating with the dog.

Throughout this my own life has been quite calm. I've been really fortunate to able to earn a decent living without much drama and we've had some lovely times when things have worked out well. I'm glad DP had such close, loving relationships with PiL and MiL. Although some of the things that happened to us as a result of OH's business and family have been a burden I don't feel resentful. I wish things had been easier, of course.

Anyway, last night we were having dinner with old friends who've known us for nearly 20 years and we all talked about some of the things we'd been through and one of them said, just fleetingly, to DP that it was lucky I'd been on the scene to offer support during the difficult times. On the way home in the car DP gave me a little speech about me not being the only one to have to put up with a lot. I was then told that I'm not the easiest person in the world to live with. Apparently many's the time DP has felt like leaving me. I asked for examples of why I'm so difficult to live with. The main complaint seems to be that I'm no fun.

Is it really much of a surprise that I'm not much fun (which I don't thin is true) when I've had years of worry about the business situation, all the hundreds of unpaid hours acting as builder's mate on the self-build, the Christmases spent alone because at the last minute PiL or MiL needed DP's presence, the holidays cancelled, all the sleepless nights?

All the times I've gritted my teeth and just got on with whatever's needed to get us through. I don't complain, I don't criticise. And now here we are. AIBU to feel really hurt? Anyone else out there with a partner for whom nothing ever seems to be easy?

OP posts:
TatianaBis · 26/02/2022 16:30

I wouldn't have said my DP is particularly self-focussed. I would say that she's a lot more outwardly focussed than I am. But who knows?

I don’t mean introverted, I mean self-absorbed.

Louisianagumbo · 26/02/2022 16:36

It's difficult to know how much responsibility for some of these bad times is hers. You talk about her bad luck and choices causing most of the stress in your life, but at the same time you defend her as if she's done nothing wrong. However, it sounds like she's been harbouring a grievance for quite some time. I doubt it came from nowhere although it doesn't mean it's justified. If you'd all spent some time with friends discussing all the things that had gone wrong, and it probably sounded like to her that everyone was putting it at her door because she was at the root of it: house, divorce, business... You can see how she'd feel defensive and aggrieved.

Nanny0gg · 26/02/2022 16:38

How exactly did you respond?

What's been said since?

TatianaBis · 26/02/2022 16:38

OP you sound quite caught up in DP’s narrative that she innocently ambles along and stressful stuff happens to her.

These are choices that she is making, that she’s not quite taking full responsibility for. Thus when the discussion turned to all the stuff she’s put you both through, instead of owning it and expressing chagrin + gratitude to you on the way home, she attacked you instead.

She may even see you as one of the stressful things that just happens. Hence the surprise news that she has considered leaving in the past.

Goldenharp · 26/02/2022 16:39

I didn't mean to be harsh. Actually I don't think I have a punitive attitude - I've been with my husband for over 30 years. I just choose not to have certain people or situations in my life. I'm sorry though you found my comments offensive or hurtful.

TatianaBis · 26/02/2022 16:42

@Louisianagumbo

It's difficult to know how much responsibility for some of these bad times is hers. You talk about her bad luck and choices causing most of the stress in your life, but at the same time you defend her as if she's done nothing wrong. However, it sounds like she's been harbouring a grievance for quite some time. I doubt it came from nowhere although it doesn't mean it's justified. If you'd all spent some time with friends discussing all the things that had gone wrong, and it probably sounded like to her that everyone was putting it at her door because she was at the root of it: house, divorce, business... You can see how she'd feel defensive and aggrieved.
Agreed, but a decent person would take the opportunity to thank OP and express gratitude for her support. Not pull the rug.
saraclara · 26/02/2022 16:45

Apparently many's the time DP has felt like leaving me.

If my partner or spouse said that to me, I'd leave them. Especially if it came out of the blue. Because it would mean that the relationship was never what I thought it had been.

I think it's time to go it alone, OP. I wouldn't be able to forget that and carry on regardless.

misspercy · 26/02/2022 16:46

With everything that has happened, I'm not surprised she doesn't feel like she's had much fun over the last few years.

It's not easy to acknowledge you're the fun sponge in the relationship - far easier to defensively lash out and blame the other person, especially if you're secure enough in their love to know they'll forgive you acting like a jerk.

Do you think she really meant her harsh words, or was this just a defensive reaction to her friends bigging you up and unintentionally making her feel bad? Either way, I think this conversation needs revisiting - she needs to reflect on her behaviour and acknowledge what she said was unfair/unkind in order for you to accept it.

If she recognises what you've done for her and appreciates it, you can accept a moment of insecurity resulting in such words. You can start to make plans to spend quality time together doing fun things to recover from what has been a tough time for both of you.

However... if she genuinely believes you're the problem and she hasn't had anything to do with it - time to re-evaluate your relationship in general.

HereComesTheSum · 26/02/2022 16:47

@billy1966

OMG

Well, well, well.

Now you know.

I would not be forgetting that.

What a selfish, self absorbed arsehole.

I think you would be very silly not to have a hard think.

All the years of your support he has thought of leaving you several times?.

I'd be done.Flowers

100% this. Imagine how fun life would have been without him and all the shit he and his family caused (not that his parents could blame their ill health)...

Make up for it now, bin him off and go and enjoy life.

FlasherMcGruff · 26/02/2022 16:50

You’re his rock, and he’s spoken to you like you’re the stone that’s sinking him. How dare he?

FlasherMcGruff · 26/02/2022 16:51

Apologies for my presumption OP, just saw you’re both female.

ivykaty44 · 26/02/2022 17:09

your dh really didn't like an outside perspective that "he was hard work & you had supportedhim" this is him having a pop as he didn't like what he heard

ivykaty44 · 26/02/2022 17:09

sorry for presuming male and not female also

HereComesTheSum · 26/02/2022 17:10

@FlasherMcGruff

Apologies for my presumption OP, just saw you’re both female.
Ditto
TheNoodlesIncident · 26/02/2022 17:10

@saraclara

Apparently many's the time DP has felt like leaving me.

If my partner or spouse said that to me, I'd leave them. Especially if it came out of the blue. Because it would mean that the relationship was never what I thought it had been.

I think it's time to go it alone, OP. I wouldn't be able to forget that and carry on regardless.

I agree with this, I don't think I could get past that tbh. Not the "you're no fun" jibe, which was bad enough, but the "I've considered leaving you many times". There's no coming back from that, is there?

Especially hurtful as you were trying very hard to be supportive, rather than leaving her to get on with all the adversity on her own.

winsomewoman · 26/02/2022 17:20

@saraclara

Apparently many's the time DP has felt like leaving me.

If my partner or spouse said that to me, I'd leave them. Especially if it came out of the blue. Because it would mean that the relationship was never what I thought it had been.

I think it's time to go it alone, OP. I wouldn't be able to forget that and carry on regardless.

Have you never had periods of wondering what the hell you're doing in this relationship and whether it's time to get out? I think that's absolutely normal and I've heard friends and acquaintances who are going through difficult times in their relationships often express the same feeling. You may love someone to bits but that doesn't mean you always find them easy to live with.

Relationships are ever-changing. You change, your lives change and feelings change. With a bit of luck the love rises back up to the surface quite quickly.

OP posts:
MatildaTheCat · 26/02/2022 17:30

You sound extremely balanced in your outlook on this. You’ve also been very generous in your comments about your DP. In truth you’ve both been through a rotten time and possibly have different views on you each of you was affected.

Maybes this is a time for a really open dialogue on who you both are now and is this a good time to evaluate your relationship and make some changes? That doesn’t have to mean splitting up. It might mean taking more holidays, getting a dog, taking up new hobbies.

Her comments were unpleasant though and an explanation and apology are in order. Was she drinking?

joliefolle · 26/02/2022 17:32

It's impossible for you to have the same relationship for all this amount of time. Think it's Ester Perel who's said shes had 3 different marriages over 30 years (or something ilke that), each with the same man. You need to talk and work out if your hearts are both really in it and what you want for the next decade of your relationship if so.

Much of the joie de vivre has been knocked out of me by events. Brexit, Trump, Putin — all have brought me to the brink of despair - actually that's not easy to live with.

TravellingFrom · 26/02/2022 17:33

Yes but @winsomewoman you didn’t normally go and tell your DP that you’ve thought about leaving them because friends have said she was lucky to have you support her.
Context is Important here I think.

winsomewoman · 26/02/2022 17:36

Much of the joie de vivre has been knocked out of me by events. Brexit, Trump, Putin — all have brought me to the brink of despair - actually that's not easy to live with.

I haven't been depressed and I don't think I'm difficult to live with, but how anyone went through the Trump years and the Brexit years without a sense of loss and stress and general wtf-is-happening-to-the-worldness I don't know.

About to start getting dinner ready prior to going out this evening, so that's me done for today. Have a good evening, everyone.

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Yellownightmare · 26/02/2022 17:41

Have you never had periods of wondering what the hell you're doing in this relationship and whether it's time to get out? I think that's absolutely normal and I've heard friends and acquaintances who are going through difficult times in their relationships often express the same feeling. You may love someone to bits but that doesn't mean you always find them easy to live with

That's true but have they ever laid it out to them in the way your partner has done to you. And was it used as a weapon to deflect from something they felt uncomfortable about, in this case, your friends drawing attention to all that you've done to support them over the years.

It might just be a blip OP, and you'll get over it. But it's worth considering whether your OP enjoys it when you're there supporting her, but might not be so keen to reciprocate. And also not taking into account that you might not be feeling so much 'fun' because you're warn down with all her problems. It's a bit much not to take that into account. She presumably thought you were fun enough when you met.

How about her encouraging you for once and finding out what she can do to make your load lighter to enable you to feel more joy in life, if it's true that you're a bit weary, and not just her lashing out and finding something hurtful to say.

joliefolle · 26/02/2022 17:42

Your DP might have delivered it badly but maybe she has a point.

Roasteros · 26/02/2022 18:29

*Have you never had periods of wondering what the hell you're doing in this relationship and whether it's time to get out? I think that's absolutely normal and I've heard friends and acquaintances who are going through difficult times in their relationships often express the same feeling. You may love someone to bits but that doesn't mean you always find them easy to live with.

Relationships are ever-changing. You change, your lives change and feelings change. With a bit of luck the love rises back up to the surface quite quickly.*

I'm going to quote Horace and write "a word, once uttered, can never be recalled". Her reaction to being made aware of your support, was not merely to attack you in response, but to attack with the phrase "many times". That was deliberately hurtful, to make you feel as bad as she perhaps did in that moment. Did she apologise? Explain?
I have been absolutely furious and frustrated with my DP many times over the years, but I would never voice a similar comment to hers, because it could never be taken back, and I would be afraid that it would undermine my relationship.

Onlyforcake · 26/02/2022 18:53

She's checked out, got the ick. Whatever. I'd be getting my ducks in a row.

joliefolle · 26/02/2022 18:57

"Her reaction to being made aware of your support..."

Perhaps it wasn't the first time she'd been sat through the narrative and been "made aware" of it... The OP said she gave her a "little speech" on the way home rather than an off-the-cuff remark.

The OP has said that she's not a martyr and she doesn't blame her partner for her bad choices and bad luck but has a long list of problems the partner has caused them and says that most of the "pounding" of stress she's endured for many years has been down to that. There's been shouting, exhaustion and frustration... do you think the partner has never heard anything about the consequences of her "bad choices" before?

The OP says that Brexit, Trump and Putin have driven her "to the brink of despair" but when someone points out that can be difficult to live with (and I would add particularly when you've had more direct shit to deal with like the business nightmare and ailing parents and perhaps are just trying to move on), her response is... well if you didn't have that reaction then wtf...

Maybe the OP's partner is just a massive selfish arse but it is unlikely that there is only one side to this story.