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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask my parents about their money?

65 replies

parentsfuture · 22/02/2022 07:06

You often read about the “bank of mum and dad”, but that’s something I’ve never been fortunate to experience. Unlike all of my friends (as far as I am aware), they’ve never been able to financially support me. I’ve had jobs since I was 15, and if I wanted or needed anything I had to pay for it myself as my parents simply couldn’t afford to. I had to pay for my piano lessons myself in the last few years as they struggled. (They did provide food and I didn’t have to pay rent though). I moved out when I turned 19 to go to university. From time to time I’d have to give them money, nothing huge just £5-£20 every now and again, but still a lot for a teenager in school. Absolutely nothing wrong with the above, just giving background.

In my late teens my parents nearly lost our home by defaulting on mortgage payments. My parents worked, but my dad was made redundant and was only able to pick up jobs every now and again. I have two younger siblings who were in school at this time. I’m 30 now, so this was all around the crash in between 07-09. In the end they managed to sell our house and downsize to smaller home in cash over an hour away from where we live.

They do work but on very low incomes - I don’t know if it’s this or just that they just seem to be awful with money management, or both. One of my grandparents regularly gives them money every month - they are a pensioner themselves. And there have been times I’ve had to help them out with money too.

I struggle to understand where the money goes if they don’t have a mortgage or children to look after. It’s definitely not gambling, they don’t drink or smoke. I know they must send money to family abroad from time to time, but I can’t imagine it being such a huge amount that they’d continue to struggle themselves and put my grandparent under pressure with?

I’m worried about their future, their pensions (if they even have any, I imagine it will be state only) and just what their expectations are. They are now 60 so still a few years away from being able to claim their pensions.

My mum mentions how she wants to retire soon but I don’t think there has been any detailed thought process around this. I have my own family to support and look after too, and my siblings also are not great with their money. I am starting to worry theres going to be an expectation of me as the eldest and “naturally responsible” child that I will be something they can continue to fall back on and be there to help them always. Of course if they ever needed real help I would, but I can’t do this always.

AIBU to sit them down and ask them about their finances and what their plans are for the future as a concerned child? I feel awful for my grandparent who only gets a state pension but is giving them a significant amount of this every month as they also worry! Or is it none of my business and should I just leave it until they ask for more money again?

AIBU = none of your business
AINBU = try and have a chat if concerned

OP posts:
Howshouldibehave · 22/02/2022 07:09

Next time your mum says she wants to retire soon, ask what her work pension is like?

They sound v low income-do they both work full time? Who are they sending money abroad to!?

Preworkouttingle · 22/02/2022 07:10

If they are asking you for money you should talk to them. See what the problem is. They lost the right to tell you to mind your own business when they started expecting cash from you.

Weenurse · 22/02/2022 07:13

Ask if they have a financial plan for retirement.
Would grand parent move in with patents to combine incomes?
Offer to go through their finances with them to help plan for retirement.
Good luck

OtiMama · 22/02/2022 07:14

I don't see anything wrong with speaking to them. Fine it's their life and their business but you are entitled to know if they expect you and your grandparents to give them money.

parentsfuture · 22/02/2022 07:14

I should add I only want to ask them so if they need help, then I can help them to do that and get an action plan in place for them to help themselves while they can. Not so I can be nosy!

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Winday · 22/02/2022 07:18

YANBU. You're concerned for their future, you're not asking because you're being nosey.

Alrightqueenie · 22/02/2022 07:18

Ask them to plan their retirement and work out how much income they will have post retirement. Your parents probably can't afford to fully retire but part retire at a push. They should work for as long as they can and they should stop sending money abroad. If they retire now, you'll be subsidising them and can you afford to do that.

The citizens advice bureau website has information on pensions show them that and get them to start planning for it.

Teeturtle · 22/02/2022 07:19

I am 51 now, my background kind of sounds a bit like yours. Definitely no bank of mum and dad and when I was in childhood they always struggled financially and when they were in work, it was low paid jobs.

When I was about your age, I worried a lot about their retirement to. But do you know what, when it came to retirement, they did absolutely fine. The key, is that like your parents they were homeowners, they didn’t have expensive habits, no drinking or smoking, the bits of pension they got from here and there added up and honestly, I think with the mortgage paid of, they were probably at their most comfortable.

I think there is nothing wrong with you asking, but try not to stay awake at night either.

parentsfuture · 22/02/2022 07:19

They are very kind people - generous with helping others out practically when they can. They certainly don’t enjoy struggling and feel guilty if they have ever needed some help.

Money is sometimes sent to our relatives abroad who live in a very poor country without state support or benefits. Culturally family there all help each other out, but not expected.

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Alrightqueenie · 22/02/2022 07:21

Ask them to complete a monthly outgoing so you can see where the cash is. They shouldn't be subsidised by their pensioner parents. B

Totalwasteofpaper · 22/02/2022 07:21

Honestly...

Step away from this
Then take a few more steps.
Don't get involved in their retirement plans or you will become part of the conversation and be dragged into solving their money woes.

Stay well away and practice making neutral noncommittal statements "that sounds hard" "I can't help as I have my own financial commitments now"

Do not let them drag you down and they will as their money management sounds dire.

Your grandparents are too enmeshed and it's their choice to sub your parents. It's too ingrained and you likely won't change anything here just stress everyone inc yourself out.

If you want to help you are best off focusing on encouraging financial independence in your siblings.
Benefits:
They won't try and sponge off too.
By encouraging then to have good financial boundaries (ie don't lend your parents more money) you'll help protect them from your parents

parentsfuture · 22/02/2022 07:22

@Teeturtle

I am 51 now, my background kind of sounds a bit like yours. Definitely no bank of mum and dad and when I was in childhood they always struggled financially and when they were in work, it was low paid jobs.

When I was about your age, I worried a lot about their retirement to. But do you know what, when it came to retirement, they did absolutely fine. The key, is that like your parents they were homeowners, they didn’t have expensive habits, no drinking or smoking, the bits of pension they got from here and there added up and honestly, I think with the mortgage paid of, they were probably at their most comfortable.

I think there is nothing wrong with you asking, but try not to stay awake at night either.

Thank you for this. I guess I know it’s not typical when I compare myself to my friends or even my husbands family. But reassuring to know your parents got by just fine. I guess they’ll not know much different if on their pensions they’ll be used to a low income (even if a bit lower).
OP posts:
Shoxfordian · 22/02/2022 07:24

If they’re going to ask you for money then it is your business; nothing wrong with asking but you may not be able to fix it for them

Billandben444 · 22/02/2022 07:25

If they are sending money abroad while expecting their parents and children to sub them, that gives you the right to have a financial chat with them. Tell them you are getting your own financial ducks in order for the future and would like to help them do the same. Start by talking pensions and then casually drift into their current situation. Good luck.

rookiemere · 22/02/2022 07:25

It's not your job to do their financial planning, but it is up to you to make your own boundaries clear.
So let them know that your own family needs to be the focus and if they choose to retire you'll not be supporting them financially or indeed at any other time.

FrankGrillosFloof · 22/02/2022 07:31

The danger in asking them about their solutions is that you become part of the answer.

RaininSummer · 22/02/2022 07:39

If they live quite frugally already, the state pension should be just about enough hopefully though fuel bills are scary. Guess you could open a convo about how many contribution years you have discovered are needed for full pension to establish if they are on track.

NameGoesHere · 22/02/2022 07:41

You need to make it clear that you aren’t the solution and won’t be funding them at all.

sillysmiles · 22/02/2022 07:45

@parentsfuture

I should add I only want to ask them so if they need help, then I can help them to do that and get an action plan in place for them to help themselves while they can. Not so I can be nosy!
It may be useful to engage an actual financial adviser to go through pension and retirement options with them.
PinkButtercups · 22/02/2022 07:48

@parentsfuture

I should add I only want to ask them so if they need help, then I can help them to do that and get an action plan in place for them to help themselves while they can. Not so I can be nosy!
I don't think their finances is of your concern. If this is the case then just let them know if they ever need help, you will help them.

But I really don't think you need to know what is going on with their money if YOU are being generous enough to help.

sillysmiles · 22/02/2022 07:49

Sorry, posted to soon.
The reason I say an actual financial adviser is that you don't want them to think that toy and your siblings are the solution to their retirement.

Its perfectly normal to help them out or fit you and your siblings to club together to get them decent presents for Christmas etc but the constant drip might put pressure on your own finances.

rookiemere · 22/02/2022 07:50

You could say that your DM discussing retirement made you consider your own pension and now all savings are tied up in pension accounts.
I still wouldn't give them any money but maybe you can discuss a little bit. Ask your DM when she gets her state pension and what she'll live on in between now and then .
It worries me that you're so tied up in it all and when push comes to shove, would give them money. Work on your own boundaries, at 30 you need to think of yourself and indeed you'll be lucky if a state pension exists when you retire.
Money usually trickles down the generations, your DPs have no pride to except it from both the older and younger generation.

NarrowboatDi · 22/02/2022 07:51

YANBU to care or ask questions but please ensure you frame it in a way that makes it very clear you are not going to give them any money.

Thinking ahead when grandparent is no longer with you will they get an inheritance at all?

I grew up in very similar circumstances albeit in a one parent family. I worry about my mother’s finances now she is retired but am also wary that my opening up a conversation could leave me vulnerable to pressure to become her provider. She has form for accepting handouts/loans (which never get paid back).

Good luck.

Gilly12345 · 22/02/2022 07:52

I really would keep out of this as their pension/retirement planning is their concern.

I definitely wouldn’t be giving them any money as they have had plenty of time to sort out their own affairs.

Longdistance · 22/02/2022 08:00

They shouldn’t be sending money abroad. That’s that relatives problem and they certainly shouldn’t be poncing off elderly relatives or their child.
Stop subbing them. They’ve had plenty of time in their life to get better jobs or plan their finances better.
If they ask next time, tell them no as you have your own family.
I’d really like to know where their money is going too. I bet they have savings accounts and out money in there and then take money from others to subsidise this. You dm needs to say how she’s going to fund retirement. I bet that’s already in place and your parents are taking the piss.