Aibu so angry and upset about the lockdown parties response

[deeedeee]

He should have resigned. They should have made him. Instead they’ve kicked it all into the long grass of a shitty unpublishable enquiry, and then kicked that into the long grass of a corrupt police enquiry and are attempting to cover it all with bluster and shite on the world stage, posturing about like bad actors. And playing upto to the crowd by removing restrictions to distract. It’s so so fucking depressing. Is anyone actually falling for it? It feels like nothing matters anymore.

And then the billions wasted on Cronyism, corruption, post office and PPE. Letting our energy bills go up when in other countries the energy companies have paid. Councils cut to the bone everywhere. Libraries closed. Town centres desolate. Folk not being able to buy houses, afford to live. But bankers bonus’s at a high again. I just feel desperately sad.

What evidence is there that he should have changed his mind on Brexit?? I hated the Brexit result but we've left now. He keeps using us farmers to make his points and I wish he would just fuck off. In actual fact my sector sheep farming is doing fine.

@deeedeee

Nightly stroll, I agree with you. It is really getting me down. The worry is though if you disengage then you’re part of the problem.

Don't engage until you can actively change something. There is really nothing you can do about any of this. Even closing libraries, a local matter, doesn't seem to be something we can influence either. If you feel strongly about local matters, join a FB group where you can campaign to make changes and then you can feel rewarded for making a positive difference. Boris Johnson will be removed by the Tories themselves before the next election so don't waste energy on that. You lying in bed cursing, isn't going to make him budge an inch but it is going to mentally harm you. The handling of the pandemic will come out in the hearing later this year so there's no point reading other negative posts about it, which might not even be true, and making yourself more depressed. I used to be very news aware and loved international news. But the reporting over the pandemic made me realise how poor the standards of journalism, incl tv, papers and online, actually were. It's all about sensationalism and not about honesty and the boring, accurate but tedious facts. Diana's panorama interview was the final nail for me. I always believed that panorama, with its army of editors and lawyers, would be above suspicion. Now I know, for a good story, they don't care what facts they bend or how the truth is manipulated. It suddenly occurred to me that stories I've read in the past could have been manipulated too. So do I actually know the truth about anything? I have taken a step back now. I hide threads on MN that get me annoyed. I've found that not having the input of others has given me the luxury of space to form my own opinions - and even being kinder and more charitable in my understanding of others. I have a lot more going on in my life now and I realise that I was allowing things to snowball into becoming more momentous that they actually were. My mental health has improved massively and I'm more content in myself, concentrating on the things that make me happy rather than on the issues that people with certain agendas want to push. Engage to make changes, not to worry and fret.

@MorrisZapp

Most of the press are calling this the fag end of his leadership. Then he'll be replaced by someone worse so enjoy this while you can.

Impossible. Worse doesn’t exist.

@balalake

If you have elections in May, please use your vote and express your disgust via the ballot box. And make your view known should a Conservative candidate come seeking your vote.

I wish that in 2019 we had been given a choice other than between a serial immoral liar, an IRA sympathiser who condones anti-semitism, and a party that would cancel a democratic decision without another vote.

The problem is that the ballot box only counts positive votes, and 'get him out' isn't a positive vote.

I'm in Scotland and no party here other than the Conservatives are willing to discuss women's sex based rights. I won't vote Alba because I don't support Scottish independence.

What am I left with? I can't 'vote him out'.

Remember how aghast we all were when George W Bush became president of the USA? He was the stupidest, least statesmanlike, poorly educated nutjob imaginable.

And then...

Boris's Broken Brexit Nasty Tory Britain with added racism and hate crimes

What a lovely place this country will be in another 10 years.

@derxa

What evidence is there that he should have changed his mind on Brexit?? I hated the Brexit result but we've left now. He keeps using us farmers to make his points and I wish he would just fuck off. In actual fact my sector sheep farming is doing fine.

We may have left now, but it is very far from being done and sorted. Your farm may be doing fine and that's great, but plenty of farms, fisheries and businesses are in the shit as a direct result of Brexit and consumers everywhere are therefore suffering too, so it is absolutely vital that people like James O'Brien keep pointing that out so that people know what the impact of it has been and that the shit show it is can't just be covered up or put down to Covid. Otherwise we are all just living a lie. So no, he absolutely shouldn't just fuck off.

Yes, it's nice that some farms are doing fine, but sheep farming as a whole isn't all okay. We have 2 sets of farmers on one side of the family. One couple are multi-millionaires, farming cattle, sheep, pigs, and so on, with other smaller businesses - they're absolutely fine.
The others, who mainly farm sheep and crops, are doing okay but have been hit badly by the loss of EU funding and are having to do odd jobs and try to branch out into other areas to supplement their income.

FWIW I'm not surprised Boris didn't resign, at least he'll be remembered as an incompetent, blundering fool who destroyed the country by orchestrating Brexit and handling covid worse than my toddler in the middle of a tantrum. It's little consolation though. Just hope our Tory MP is kicked out at the next election (and that the door hits him squarely in the arse on his way out).

Their recent leaders (Brown, Milliband, Corbyn and Starmer) are all deeply off-putting people. I mean Johnson and May aren't/weren't great, but they're more "I'm going to fuck you over" people whereas the Labour ones are "I'll fuck you over but will say I won't" - people prefer politicians who admit it'll be shit than ones who pretend it won't.

It's shit like this that makes me utterly despair and want to leave the country. What on earth is 'deeply off-putting' about all 4 of those people? Really? I need it spelt out because that's just deeply unpleasant writing that without giving a reason.

And when has Johnson NOT pretended he wasn't going to be shit/fuck people over? The 'levelling up' programme is just one massive lie/bribe and plenty of people, judging by vox pox bits on various news shows seem to have fallen for it and claim to have voted Tory because Labour had 'done nothing for them'. I don't think those people are expecting to be fucked over, though they undoubtedly will be. He also said he had an 'oven ready deal' - he absolutely didn't say 'Brexit will be a shit show and is an impossibility in the way it's been sold to you,' so more lies there.

Anyone who says they hate the Tories but Labour are worse so they'll be voting Tory or spoiling their ballot paper as they are politically homeless is an idiot, a liar, or both.

We may have left now, but it is very far from being done and sorted. Your farm may be doing fine and that's great, but plenty of farms, fisheries and businesses are in the shit as a direct result of Brexit and consumers everywhere are therefore suffering too, so it is absolutely vital that people like James O'Brien keep pointing that out so that people know what the impact of it has been and that the shit show it is can't just be covered up or put down to Covid. Otherwise we are all just living a lie. So no, he absolutely shouldn't just fuck off. Is your business suffering? Do you know any farmers or fishermen? James O'Brien is doing just fine wittering into a microphone and sneering at people for a fat salary

The others, who mainly farm sheep and crops, are doing okay but have been hit badly by the loss of EU funding What loss of EU funding?

The parties don't matter. If I was going to be upset, it would be about all the unnecessary restrictions that were forced upon us for so long. Hopefully, we can now to start looking to the future rather than the past.

Anyone who says they hate the Tories but Labour are worse so they'll be voting Tory or spoiling their ballot paper as they are politically homeless is an idiot, a liar, or both.

I spoilt my paper in 2019 because I genuinely couldn’t vote for a party led by Corbyn. However, it was a meaningless gesture as they weigh the blue votes round here.

I’m with you @trippinglyonthetongue as far as Brown, Milliband and Starmer are concerned. I was very sad when the Libdems turned the wrong way in 2010. This would be a very different country now if Brown had been PM then.

derxa So you believe that because your farm is fine there are no issues whatsoever with Brexit? Ok...

This is sounding suspiciously like a worrying tendency I've noticed to frame journalists/the media as the villains of the piece for daring to report that things may not be as fine and dandy as the government would like us to believe. I don't listen to O'Brien's shows but I enjoy most of his tweets.

However, if I do find journalists 'sneery' I can happily choose not to watch or follow them and they are then completely insignificant to me. What I can't stand is being sneered at by people who are elected to serve us, whether we voted for them or not. That is what happens every time Jonhnson opens his smirking mouth in the HoC and spits out some bullshit about 'world beating vaccine roll out...biggest growing economy....' It shows utter contempt for our democracy and for us as citizens. Every time he writes Keir Starmer off as 'captain Hindsight' it's a finger up to those of us who would vote for him/the party he leads. That is all unforgivable in a way the words of a journalist never could be.

@derxa

The others, who mainly farm sheep and crops, are doing okay but have been hit badly by the loss of EU funding What loss of EU funding?

The EU CAP. It's based on how much land you have and what you use it for, and the smaller farm qualified for it. I don't know a whole lot about it as we aren't farmers, we only grow food for ourselves. Apparently the government are planning to put new types of support in place but are taking an age to do it.

@BoodleBug51

People voted Tory because they were the lesser of 2 evils.

The last 2 Labour leaders were simply too terrifying a prospect to take the helm and I don't understand why on earth the party as a whole aren't doing something about it.

Blimey, yes I can see why you'd be quaking in your boots at the sight of Ed Milliband.

Hang on, no I really can't.

All governments lie and there is corruption no matter what party is in.

Whats your point? You'll have been angry for decades.

Labour lied about the reasons for the middle East war, brown bankrupted us leaving a note saying there is no money left. Milliband passed into law the zero carbon targets hence why we are where we are with energy costs.

No government has tacked the waste of money in the NHS.

Every generation has complained about house prices and affordability, whats new?

Blimey, yes I can see why you'd be quaking in your boots at the sight of Ed Milliband

He was basically brought down by a sloppily eaten bacon sandwich wasn’t he?

But of course, people are too clever to be manipulated by media publishing evidence of rules broken by those tasked to lead us through a time of national crisis….

@trippinglyonthetongue

derxa So you believe that because your farm is fine there are no issues whatsoever with Brexit? Ok...

This is sounding suspiciously like a worrying tendency I've noticed to frame journalists/the media as the villains of the piece for daring to report that things may not be as fine and dandy as the government would like us to believe. I don't listen to O'Brien's shows but I enjoy most of his tweets.

However, if I do find journalists 'sneery' I can happily choose not to watch or follow them and they are then completely insignificant to me. What I can't stand is being sneered at by people who are elected to serve us, whether we voted for them or not. That is what happens every time Jonhnson opens his smirking mouth in the HoC and spits out some bullshit about 'world beating vaccine roll out...biggest growing economy....' It shows utter contempt for our democracy and for us as citizens. Every time he writes Keir Starmer off as 'captain Hindsight' it's a finger up to those of us who would vote for him/the party he leads. That is all unforgivable in a way the words of a journalist never could be.

Did I say there were no issues with Brexit? I think it was a disastrous move but the difference between farmers and other business owners/Brien is that theyhave adapt to survive. There is always the risk they will fail. O'Brien just sits there smugly using other people's misfortune as fodder. I hate Johnson just as much for the same reason. They treat us like the 'little people'.

The EU CAP. It's based on how much land you have and what you use it for, and the smaller farm qualified for it. I don't know a whole lot about it as we aren't farmers, we only grow food for ourselves. Apparently the government are planning to put new types of support in place but are taking an age to do it.
www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/agriculture-subsidies-after-brexit This explains it all. In Scotland I get my single farm payment via the Scottish Government just as I have always done.

O'Brien just sits there smugly using other people's misfortune as fodder

That’s what all journalists do isn’t it?

Fair enough, you don’t like him, but I’m not convinced that you haven’t tailored your reasons to fit your personal feelings rather than the other way around iyswim.

@Cornettoninja

O'Brien just sits there smugly using other people's misfortune as fodder

That’s what all journalists do isn’t it?

Fair enough, you don’t like him, but I’m not convinced that you haven’t tailored your reasons to fit your personal feelings rather than the other way around iyswim.

I don't like being made to look like the object of pity. Funnily enough, Johnson's a journalist too isn't he.

The trouble is Labour. I’m historically a swing voter, in my time I’ve voted, green, Lib Dem, labour, Tory.

Labour don’t seem to have any policies apart from “Not Tory” and dissing anyone who earns over the minimum wage, with Corbyn it started off again being Citizen Smith in the corner of the 6th form common room and Starmer just hadn’t done enough to rid that image. Lammie and Angela raynor are key reasons for this.

They aren’t appealing to people who don’t have a pile of socialist worker on the book selves. They want to change everyone to their way of thinking which has limited appeal rather than understanding what the majority electorate want and setting out realistic and achievable ways this will be done.

As much as I hate the actions of tories re parties etc, I think they have done ok re the pandemic, fuel prices need more attention but overall, Labour just don’t inspire the confidence they need to get my vote.

Funnily enough, Johnson's a journalist too isn't he

I’m loathe to credit that man with any kind of credentials professionally since I’m of the opinion there’s nothing he hasn’t been crap at but I believe he has turned up at a media position for a period of time. Pretty sure he got booted for lying in that job too.

Labour don’t seem to have any policies apart from “Not Tory” and dissing anyone who earns over the minimum wage

If you think that you’re living in a parallel universe. Or you never read a paper or watch news on TV. Rachel Reeves has produced some excellent economic policies, including reducing fuel bills with a windfall tax to reduce fuel bills.

Wake up!