Aibu so angry and upset about the lockdown parties response

[deeedeee]

He should have resigned. They should have made him. Instead they’ve kicked it all into the long grass of a shitty unpublishable enquiry, and then kicked that into the long grass of a corrupt police enquiry and are attempting to cover it all with bluster and shite on the world stage, posturing about like bad actors. And playing upto to the crowd by removing restrictions to distract. It’s so so fucking depressing. Is anyone actually falling for it? It feels like nothing matters anymore.

And then the billions wasted on Cronyism, corruption, post office and PPE. Letting our energy bills go up when in other countries the energy companies have paid. Councils cut to the bone everywhere. Libraries closed. Town centres desolate. Folk not being able to buy houses, afford to live. But bankers bonus’s at a high again. I just feel desperately sad.

People got exactly what the majority voted for in England - a lying, mysoginistic, racist, incompetent, over privileged, amoral leader of a Tory party who support him.
Unfortunately, some of us voted for none of this and have been landed with the Bawbag.

If it was so important to the whistle blower to stop the parties, why didn't they stand up when the first one happened - instead of waiting for umpteen parties and months to pass before standing up.

That's the real question here - who does it benefit to speak up now, and why - and why did they stay quiet for so long?

@FuriousCheekyFucker

If it was so important to the whistle blower to stop the parties, why didn't they stand up when the first one happened - instead of waiting for umpteen parties and months to pass before standing up.

That's the real question here - who does it benefit to speak up now, and why - and why did they stay quiet for so long?

Well said.

rules involving sticking cheese in coffee

@Whatwouldscullydo

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This old AD trope. Please show where there were people following serious 'rules' about sticking cheese in coffee. You'll find it along side Johnson's promises that lockdown would 'only last 3 weeks'.

@FuriousCheekyFucker

If it was so important to the whistle blower to stop the parties, why didn't they stand up when the first one happened - instead of waiting for umpteen parties and months to pass before standing up.

That's the real question here - who does it benefit to speak up now, and why - and why did they stay quiet for so long?

The Sue Gray preliminary report did reference a culture of staff not feeling safe to speak up when unhappy.

If you have elections in May, please use your vote and express your disgust via the ballot box. And make your view known should a Conservative candidate come seeking your vote.

I wish that in 2019 we had been given a choice other than between a serial immoral liar, an IRA sympathiser who condones anti-semitism, and a party that would cancel a democratic decision without another vote.

@derxa

To borrow a phrase from James O’Brien, it’s the footballification of politics Says the man who is obsessive in his hatred of Brexit. He never changes his mind about anything.

Like most people then? He offers a pretty interesting analysis and I think his viewpoint is an interesting one regarding party/policy loyalty.

I suppose it depends whether you approach sources with the mindset that it’s just another source of information/opinions or you’re looking for affirmation of your own opinions. It’s rare to disagree/agree with anyone 100% of the time on everything.

@deeedeee

Why the fuck are labour the lesser of two evils? I do not understand atall. How can you still say you’d vote for these corrupt money wasting lying cronies?

Because some people think using inclusive language is more heinous than people literally starving and freezing to death.

I completely understand how the GC view Labour / greens or any alternative party who is seeking trans inclusion. But what I don’t understand how a party who are entirely corrupt and rotten to the core, who are destroying our nhs and welfare system, and who are systemically haemorrhaging money out of the country and into their own pockets is better, because when half the country is homeless or in real poverty and struggling to survive on a daily basis, will these GC / trans / women’s rights issues be as important? Because my main concern is how to keep my family fed, warm and safe and how their healthcare will look in the future. I can only think the ones refusing to vote Labour sadly will never have to think about money and have private healthcare and the future sorted.

BJ is highly intelligent and ruthless so he will probably survive. If he gets a fixed penalty over Partygate he'll claim it's like a parking ticket: no-one is expected to resign over a parking fine! Shameless of course but that's what they pay for at public schools. But the polls show Labour well ahead. The problem is will they still be ahead at the next Election? They need to focus on what matters to most voters: the cost of living.

That's the real question here - who does it benefit to speak up now, and why - and why did they stay quiet for so long?

I’m not sure that’s wholly important at this point in time. I mean we seem pretty unanimous on the fact Cummings has his fingerprints all over partygate but it’s less clear whose backing him if anyone is. If coordinated serious in-party fighting emerges I don’t think it would be a surprise to anyone and I don’t think there would be any surprise if it was another monocled farm animal at the helm. It’s more of a surprise that no clear, strong contender to BJ’s position has emerged. Personally I think the tories are potentially in real trouble if there isn’t a serious contender against BJ, the country is in trouble either way imho. They were never prepared to lose the brexit ref and had no one lined up to take over from Cameron, they’ve been in free fall since, again, imho.

None of that really changes the events that happened or subsequent spin/lies that emerged as a consequence. Tying that together with the CV of this current cabinet paints a picture of people wholly unable to perform in their positions to the standards we’ve had previously (which were debatable even then). It’s slightly depressing that it took parties to get people to sit up and notice rather than Priti Patels bullying or their shifty attempts to change parliamentary rules or unlawfully proroguing parliament but that’s the situation we’re in.

Without wishing too discuss anything else about this man and his beliefs etc, just to show how far we have come in accepting the shite that is dumped upon us - a few years back, Jeremy Corbin was almost universally hounded for wearing a navy blue Mac at the cenotaph. Compare that error of judgement to what we have now.
If you get used to being treated badly often enough, it becomes the norm. That is where we are

@deeedeee

Why the fuck are labour the lesser of two evils? I do not understand atall. How can you still say you’d vote for these corrupt money wasting lying cronies?

people say that as an excuse, they can't admit that they actually vote tory because they think they are right. so they deflect and slag of labour.

To be fair to James o Brien he has been known to stick up for some policies the conservatives have decided on in the past ( not locking down at Christmas , for one example) and admits he did vote for Boris Johnson to be London Mayor ( historically).
He is very anti brexit , but the ones who are leavers often end up tongue tied when he knocks their arguments into orbit , but other times he can be balanced in his views even if you have to wade amongst the chit chat and his own personal views to see hear it sometimes.
As for people voting Conservative, I'm surrounded by them and they will never vote any other way. I never have , but I can still listen to their arguments about why they do.
Plus Labour could do with a different leader and maybe getting policies people can get behind ( and win back the old red wall voters!)its a very
Big ask for them though.

I wish that in 2019 we had been given a choice other than between a serial immoral liar, an IRA sympathiser who condones anti-semitism, and a party that would cancel a democratic decision without another vote. Yes that nails it

@deeedeee

Why the fuck are labour the lesser of two evils? I do not understand atall. How can you still say you’d vote for these corrupt money wasting lying cronies?

I think the person you're responding to meant the Tories are the lesser of two evils.

At least with the Tories you know they're going to fuck you over. The reasons people reject Labour are mainly:

1. It's not clear what they would actually do that's better.
2. Their recent leaders (Brown, Milliband, Corbyn and Starmer) are all deeply off-putting people. I mean Johnson and May aren't/weren't great, but they're more "I'm going to fuck you over" people whereas the Labour ones are "I'll fuck you over but will say I won't" - people prefer politicians who admit it'll be shit than ones who pretend it won't.
3. Who do Labour represent nowadays? It's massively confusing. Funded by unions but they're not a party for workers, they're more of a Tory party from 20 years ago.

Until Labour choose a leader who seems both competent and trustworthy, and above all until they present us with policies that are better than Tory ones plus are believable and demonstrably affordable, their only chance of getting elected is a massive Tory fuck-up (which to be fair seems quite likely).

I dont expect that lot to be any different in their behaviours

Why not? Shouldn’t we expect more from leaders, hold them to a higher standard? What happened to leading by example? We all deserve better.

Course we all deserve better but they aren't are they. They weren't born with some special gift of being able to handle power unlike us mere mortals. Most people can't handle power. Eventually it changes people. They start to abuse it etc. All this putting people on.pedastals seems to do is leave the rest of us unprepared for the inevitable

Oh dear, op. Sorry you're so unhappy. Take a break from the media, particularly social media. If you have negative thoughts, you'll find yourself looking for stories that just make the negativity worse and you'll get in an ever increasing downward spiral. Look after your mental health.

Still looking for it @Whatwouldscullydo ?

I said some people made up their own rules. Face book was ful of people having a go at their neighbours. This whole one hour rule that was never a rule fir example.

Then we had Easter egg gate. People on MN telling ops that asda were right to turn them away as a single mum with a child etc

At no point was it a rule that u couldnt bring your children shopping if you had to

@derxa

To borrow a phrase from James O’Brien, it’s the footballification of politics Says the man who is obsessive in his hatred of Brexit. He never changes his mind about anything.

What evidence is there that he should have changed his mind on Brexit??

Nightly stroll, I agree with you. It is really getting me down. The worry is though if you disengage then you’re part of the problem.

@FuriousCheekyFucker

If it was so important to the whistle blower to stop the parties, why didn't they stand up when the first one happened - instead of waiting for umpteen parties and months to pass before standing up.

That's the real question here - who does it benefit to speak up now, and why - and why did they stay quiet for so long?

This is a fine question, but in no way detracts from the fact that they made laws and believed they were above them. This is corruption.

Anyone else who thinks their own transgressions of the Covid laws are anywhere near in the same league has been manipulated into complicity. Wake up.