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Will you self isolate if covid positive test?

953 replies

Monopolyiscrap · 12/02/2022 00:47

Compulsory self-isolation is ending if you test positive with covid. Instead, people are being advised to choose to self-isolate.
In reality, I think many people will not. I would not get paid if I self-isolate but am well enough to work, so why would I forego a week's wages?

So will you self-isolate if you test positive with covid?

YABU - Yes I will self-isolate
YANBU - No I will not self-isolate

OP posts:
RedCandyApple · 12/02/2022 11:01

Nope, I won’t be testing and I never have and neither have I tested my kids so big NO!

Gwenhwyfar · 12/02/2022 11:01

[quote GirlInACountrySong]@Gwenhwyfar 'the average' mumsnet tee is wealthy? That statement indicates there is an official study with stats!

Where can we read this?[/quote]
Just read MN itself. It's pretty obvious.
The estimates probably exist for advertising purposes, but may not be public.

GirlInACountrySong · 12/02/2022 11:02

@Gwenhwyfar

"Up to me how I use it really. "

Yes, it's up to you, but you get sick pay and refuse to use it for a serious disease so you're very selfish.

Nobody will use sick pay if they are not unwell.... in fact I won't know I've got it because I won't be testing!!

Not selfish.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 12/02/2022 11:03

@Gwenhwyfar I've always been open about being a low earner, anyone can see that in my posting history.

GirlInACountrySong · 12/02/2022 11:03

@Gwenhwyfar so you have no evidence.... you just made it up!

Gwenhwyfar · 12/02/2022 11:05

[quote GirlInACountrySong]@Gwenhwyfar so you have no evidence.... you just made it up!

[/quote]
I didn't make it up at all. Have you not read any MN threads. The average is a high earner, or the family's joint income is high.

RedToothBrush · 12/02/2022 11:06

So what was the plan after vaccinations?

A gradual return to normalisation.

Reality check

From some of the comments here, you would think that self isolation was actually stopping outbreaks in school and they were unusual.

I believe the figure is something daft like 80% of primary age kids have now had covid.

The current guidance is nuts away especially in the context of omicron.

Kids are supposed to continue going to school even if they have household members who are currently positive. The problem being that even with lateral flows the risk of being infectious and passing it on to classmates before having symptoms is extremely high. So high that before Christmas PHE was overriding the official government guidance and telling schools not to allow siblings into school if one had covid.

If you have two kids, then you aren't just looking at isolation for them, its looking after them as they get it one after another and then you get it yourself.

And people wonder why parents aren't testing kids and aren't isolating?! Like really?

God forbid if you have more than 2 kids.

Its already the case in lot of places where the rules are now utterly disregarded as they arent tenable.

Nor do they even work.

The fact that we have schools with small classrooms full of 30 kids which is much more unfavourable than other countries, combined with greater financial insecurity means the uk was always fucked

I do think people calling for the continuation of rules that have utterly failed to prevent mass outbreaks is pretty laughable and naively assuming that mass ignoring of testing and isolation is already in progress and will only collapse spontaneously in the next couple of months anyway.

The rules have become a security blanket which fails to acknowledge whats really happening/already happened. This whole idea of 'being safe' from being infected by covid at this stage in the pandemic is quite frankly utter nonsense.

People who are vulnerable will continue to be vulnerable in 5 or 10 years. This isnt going to change now. Most will have now been exposed now anyway and do have some immunity.

We either choose to live with testing and complusory isolation going forward forever (with all the mental health, physical health and financial costs that accompany that - most notably staff shortages) or we make the decision that we just get on with things.

Why not now? Why isn't it suitable, given the existing levels of community transmission - and crucially the fact we have high levels of immunity right now from boosters and omicron which makes it an ideal time to do it now rather than in several months time. You want to be relaxing things when immunity is high, now when its had chance to wane. The current R looks to be hanging around below 1 right now too.

Genuinely what do people want to happen in the next 6 months, year, two years?

Given whats happening in practice anyway, i fail to see why so many people are utterly up in arms.

As for the 'selfish' comments. Well you are wanting isolation because that suits you - isnt that selfish. The balance is shifting in terms of what the risks to society are. There are multiple risks associated with kids being forced to isolate. They are not necessarily 'safe' if they are at home. Particularly those in poverty or considered 'at risk'.

I'm a realist and a pragmatist. I don't see what continuing restrictions beyond march at the latest will achieve and how this will outweigh the benefits to society across the board.

This is not March 2020. The risks to society are fundamentally different now. They are fundamentally different to even November when Delta was circulating.

We have to adapt to where things now are.

If not now, when?

Gwenhwyfar · 12/02/2022 11:06

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@Gwenhwyfar I've always been open about being a low earner, anyone can see that in my posting history.[/quote]
I was talking about the average Wax. Of course there are poor people on here, people neither poor nor wealthy, etc. but the typical MNer is wealthy.

alisoninwonderland · 12/02/2022 11:08

@Toanewstart23

* I don’t blame people for not isolating- I blame the government for not doing something about sick pay and better support for those who are self employed etc.*

The vast majority, me included, just don’t WANT to. Bugger all to do with the government

Such a horrible, selfish attitude. I will definitely continue to do what I can do avoid passing on disease to others. I WANT to show concern for others around me.
TheKeatingFive · 12/02/2022 11:09

On job threads no-one gets out of bed for less than 150k, yet when it comes to things like this everyone is on shit contracts with no sick pay therefore need the “I’m alright Jack” stance.

Oh fgs, there are many different types of posters on here, is that really so difficult to understand?

Personally I'll follow work/school/nursery policies, not sure what they'll be.

Bbq1 · 12/02/2022 11:09

To all the people merrily proclaiming, "I will never test again" that's all well and good if you don't have elderly parents that you want to protect. I am still testing when I feel ropey and will continue to do so. Not only is my mum vulnerable, I also work with extremely vulnerable children. Covid for those children could cause serious consequences. I test to protect myself and others around me as that's the right thing to do.

tigger1001 · 12/02/2022 11:13

I'm in Scotland and there has been no detail of when self isolating rules will be relaxed officially here. But people are testing less already.

Certainly in my work people will be in work with a cold and only do a lft. D&v is another. I genuinely don't know anyone who sticks with the 48 hour rule. Once they feel better they are out and about.

It's really not just about sick pay either, although that does have a massive impact. But the reality is most employers can't afford to have high staff absences. I've seen it in my own work. The level of people isolating has undoubtedly caused issues.

GirlInACountrySong · 12/02/2022 11:16

The amount off or isolating takes its toll on everyone else, we are all running around trying to cover!

And one things for sure....the great British public could not give a toss that we are short staffed and demand the same service as before.... so those of us still in the workplace are rundown and stressed and more likely to go off sick (yeah,you know those 3 rolling sicknesses we get!?) whilst covering

Scianel · 12/02/2022 11:17

It has all walks of life, but the average is very wealthy. That's why I don't believe half of posters here don't get sick pay or are on 0 hours

DH is self-employed. He's not on zero hours and he's well-paid but he certainly doesn't get any sick pay, nor would his clients be amused if he failed to show up for a carefully planned job.

Obviously recently there's been more understanding of disruption, but that won't last forever now that the isolation requirements and testing look to be phased out.

I don't really care if that makes him/us selfish, the word has been so over-used over the last two years that it's lost any meaning.
We took an absolutely enormous financial hit at the start of this and trust me we've had no thanks.

I21018 · 12/02/2022 11:18

@Gwenhwyfar

"I get full sick pay for 3 sicknesses per rolling year, but if I feel ok then I won't be using one of them on covid!"

That's selfish.
Do you expect to need to use your 3 lots?
Covid can be very serious for some people, not only the old and vulnerable people your colleagues may be in contact with, but anyone who gets long Covid.

Why the hell is it selfish?

That person may then be unable to take any paid sick leave when they are actually sick if they use them up for asymptomatic Covid.

We can't expect perfectly well people to isolate forever it's not sustainable.

These "selfish" cries are so one-sided. How is it not selfish the other way? To expect people to lose pay by not working? To expect people to give up normality to protect those they've never even met?

You cannot expect people to go round this track forever.

I don't test myself for asymptomatic norovirus or chickenpox. Why would people continue to do so for the rest of time with Covid?

It's not selfish to go and work and earn your wage when you are well enough to do so.

Everyone is naturally "selfish". It's easy for those who work from home anyway or who get decent sick provisions to say they'll stay home whenever they have a sore throat.

Elphame · 12/02/2022 11:18

I won't be testing so no.

JustLyra · 12/02/2022 11:20

[quote waterlego]@JustLyra Or possibly that MN has masses of posters from all walks of life and each of them will be more likely to reply on threads that are relevant/important to them 🤷🏼‍♀️[/quote]
There are people from all walks of life, but the demographic is generally not penniless. The vast majority claim to be above average earning and the idea that those jobs come with zero sick pay is laughable.

However, there are literally people who claim both when it suits. especially if they can be snide or nasty to other posters when it suits.

JustLyra · 12/02/2022 11:22

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@Gwenhwyfar I've always been open about being a low earner, anyone can see that in my posting history.[/quote]
Then it’s not the likes of you being mentioned.

It’s the posters who are high flying execs earning shot loads on one thread and yet penniless with contracts that have no sick pay on others.

TheKeatingFive · 12/02/2022 11:22

These "selfish" cries are so one-sided. How is it not selfish the other way? To expect people to lose pay by not working? To expect people to give up normality to protect those they've never even met?

It is extraordinary that people expect others to risk unnecessary disciplinaries for the benefit of strangers. Clearly some on here just have no solitary clue about how others live.

TheKeatingFive · 12/02/2022 11:23

It’s the posters who are high flying execs earning shot loads on one thread and yet penniless with contracts that have no sick pay on others.

Do you have any examples of this?

Whammyyammy · 12/02/2022 11:24

I wouldn't test, so wouldn't know I had covid. But if I felt unwell, I wouldn't go to work or socialise, so I suppose isolate, as I have always done long before covid.
Never understood people snivelling with colds coming into work to infect everyone else.

cadburyegg · 12/02/2022 11:26

I've wfh for 2 years so would just carry on doing that. I would continue doing the school runs but I wouldn't socialise or leave the house for any reason that was non essential

Phos · 12/02/2022 11:31

No. I might limit what I do a bit but I won’t be isolating completely.

That said I probably won’t even bother testing unless I’m really curious.

RedToothBrush · 12/02/2022 11:33

@tigger1001

I'm in Scotland and there has been no detail of when self isolating rules will be relaxed officially here. But people are testing less already.

Certainly in my work people will be in work with a cold and only do a lft. D&v is another. I genuinely don't know anyone who sticks with the 48 hour rule. Once they feel better they are out and about.

It's really not just about sick pay either, although that does have a massive impact. But the reality is most employers can't afford to have high staff absences. I've seen it in my own work. The level of people isolating has undoubtedly caused issues.

BiL is an a & e consultant who also is part of wider hospital management. He went through the numbers in terms of understaffing and staffing problems generally. Its utterly appalling.

In addition to this, one of the problem they are having is not with patients with covid (either admitted cos they are seriously ill with it or because they are in for something else and then have it). The problem they are having is with staffing 'hot' and 'cold' areas means they have to stretch even further splitting their staff between the two. For some specialist areas this is particularly problematic. Its undoubtedly affecting care and its certainly burning out staff.

Chronic unstaffing isnt something you can fix in week or months. Its a 5 to 10 year issue to address staff vacancies and adequate basic levels of staffing as a minimum.

So that leaves difficult choices.

Consider if we do ease up on isolation, would this free up staff and save more lives in the long run?

Its something that, i think is arguable. Deeply unpleasant but a reality that i fear may well exist.

In education you might want to reflect on the numbers of at risk children that have disappeared during lockdowns and how harmful isolation is to some children. As in life threatening. Numbers that sadly maybe be greater than those at risk from covid itself.

We need to keep all these things in mind

Its not a black and white thing where covid = bad. Its a balancing of one bad thing against another bad thing and working out whats more harmful generally.

I don't believe that isolation really is effective at this point. We've had a peak with omicron and there is a self limiting dynamic in terms of how many it can infect, and how many have already had it recently.

Its a really dark thing to be considering, but there are multiple very vulnerable people in the uk - it is not limited to the clinically vulnerable to covid.

Long term consequences include life and health chances from poor education achievement. My sons year, year 2 seem to be suffering particularly badly from what im hearing across the country - much of which has been driven by poor behaviour and lack of the routine and discipline of being in school.

How much longer can we continue to put covid first? I seriously have my doubts that we can for much longer.

MargosKaftan · 12/02/2022 11:40

Why are so many convinced the only issue will be those on 0 hours contracts who don't get sick pay? If you dont need to legally isolate and are not sick (which you aren't if you are asymptomatic), they you won't be legally entitled to sick pay. You will have to lie that you are sick when you are not to your employer in order to self isolate, unless you can work from home.

I'm not going to lie that I have symptoms and am too sick to go to work when I feel fine. So it will be a choice between unpaid leave or going in to work when positive for covid but not sick. That also presumes my employer is happy for me to take unpaid leave.

Would many on here use up their holiday allowance if that was the only option? Because if you can't wfh, and your employer doesn't need to pay you for leave and doesn't want to do unpaid leave, what other option will you have to stay at home when feeling fine but positive for covid?