AIBU to ask why Camilla will become Queen....

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After all, Prince Phillip never became King, did he?

Queen Mother is an alternate title for Dowager Queen.

Not quite. Queen mother has to be the mother of the current monarch. When the Queen’s father died, his mother (queen Mary) was no longer a queen mother but remained a dowager queen. The current queen’s mother (“The Queen Mother”) was both a dowager queen and a queen mother until she died but had she outlived her daughter, there would have been no queen mother because the monarch (Charles) wouldn’t have had a living mother.

As an aside, and I think this is correct, you can technically have a king father, but given that kings aren’t ever really consorts (and therefore you don’t really get widowed kings, only widowed prince consorts), king fathers would only arise if a king abdicates and his child takes the throne. If Charles were to be crowned but then abdicate in twenty years, I suppose he’d be a king father.

All sounds quite Medieval and mysterious. That's the way they want to keep it, the peasants outside the gate.

If Charles were to be crowned but then abdicate in twenty years, I suppose he’d be a king father

No, he'd be created HRH Duke of Something. The abdication wouid cancel the kingship, just as it did for Edward VIII. You don't get to call yourself king (or queen) post-abdication

@EdithWeston

If Charles were to be crowned but then abdicate in twenty years, I suppose he’d be a king father

No, he'd be created HRH Duke of Something. The abdication wouid cancel the kingship, just as it did for Edward VIII. You don't get to call yourself king (or queen) post-abdication

Hmm good point. Since his abdication, I believe Juan Carlos of Spain is known as king emeritus (but in Spanish) so still has a king-like title but I’ll admit I’m not sure of the “officialness” of that title or whether it’s more colloquial.

@PicaK

Because King is a higher rank than Queen.

No, a King does not outrank a Queen in her own right. Traditionally a woman takes her title from her spouse, a man doesn't take a title from his spouse, hence Anne's husbands were not titled and she kept her own, Princess Michael of Kent takes her title from her husband who doesn't have a Dukedom to make her Duchess. If Harry had not become the Duke of Sussex then Meghan would be Princess Harry of Wales. Is it because we have had the Queen on the throne for the majority of MNers' lives that this old chestnut keeps coming up?

I think King Juan Carlos' colloquial names are A LOT ruder.
He's threatening to return to Spain at the moment.

@EdithWeston

If Charles were to be crowned but then abdicate in twenty years, I suppose he’d be a king father

No, he'd be created HRH Duke of Something. The abdication wouid cancel the kingship, just as it did for Edward VIII. You don't get to call yourself king (or queen) post-abdication

I'm not sure Edward VIII ever really accepted the fact that his kingship had been cancelled...

@BiddyPop

Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, is married to Prince Charles so is in the same position as the Queen Mother, Queen Elizabeth, was when married to Prince George who later became King George VI.

George VI was never Prince George, his brother was (The Duke of Kent). He was Prince Albert (Bertie), but took the regnal name of George like his father George V.

Sorry, to be clear, his father George V actually was called George though!

@SickAndTiredAgain

'Queen Mother' was invented for the queen consort of George VI simply because she had the same name as her daughter and it was confusing to have two Queens Elizabeth.

It wasn’t, any widowed queen consort who is also the mother of the current monarch is the queen mother. I think she was the first to adopt it as her main styling, but it had been used for a long time before.

The widow of George V, Queen Mary, was never known as the Queen Mother, she was always just Queen Mary. Margaret Beaufort, mother of Henry VII, insisted on being styled the King's Mother during his reign.

I had this discussion with DH. He was adamant that King outranks Queen but after I'd finished with him he had to admit they should be equal.

Sorry Judgemental - I knew there was the choosing of the Regnal name, but forgot King George VI had been Prince Albert before his succession/accession. (In my defence, we only have a President as Head of State here).

The more often they rehearse for HMQs funeral the longer she will live. Charlie will be knackered and his face will go purple with the wait.
Quite right it's so rude to rehearse the funeral, and keep on about her dieing she needs to make it to 120!

I am sure I remember reading that Victoria could have made Albert King but she didnt, and his family were not best pleased as they assumed he would be.

Elizabeth I didnt marry for many reasons but this was one of them, she didnt want to be outranked by her husband when was the rightful monarch.

No problem @biddypop