AIBU to ask why Camilla will become Queen....

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After all, Prince Phillip never became King, did he?

Prince Philip was a prince in his own right, as part of the Greek royal family, not through being married to the Queen. He could have also been Prince Consort (as married to the Queen) but declined the role and was styled Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh. There’s no option to be a King Consort because of historical sexism, King is higher than a Queen etc (hence why Elizabeth I never married and Prince Albert was Prince Consort)

The Queen is Queen Regnant (a ruler). Camilla will be Queen Consort, which is just bog standard woman married to a King and very common throughout history.

Basically the monarchy is set up for men to rule and although we’ve had female rulers throughout history, they’re uncommon enough that the rules haven’t really properly adapted to be equal.

When Charles inherits then Camilla will become HM The Queen. If she outlives him then she'll become HM Queen Camilla and Kate will assume the title of HM The Queen. She won't officially be titled Queen Catherine unless she outlives William

The won't be The Queen because she isn't regnant.

Just like it was King George VI and Queen Elizabeth before his death, it will be King William V and Queen Catherine

Prince Philip was a prince in his own right, as part of the Greek royal family, not through being married to the Queen

He renounced his foreign princedom in order to marry Princess Elizabeth. He was recreated as. British Prince in letters patent issued in 1957. In the early years of their marriage he was simply HRH the Duke of Edinburgh

@riotlady
No, he wasnt. He had to give up his titles before he could marry Elizabeth. He was not a prince. He was titled Duke of Edinburgh by King George.
First the first several years of ther married he wasnt a Prince. He was just a Duke. Elizabeth then made him a Prince of the United Kingdom.

@RoseAndRose No, HM The Queen is also the title given to the spouse of the King. It isn't reserved for queens regnant, as per the list of titles the QM and Alexandra of Denmark held.

Thanks!!

Maybe I got misled by the name of the horse race.

Queens, queens....

The late QM is reputed to have said of her "camp" male butlers/servants. -

"I don't know what those queens are doing in the kitchen, but THIS Queen wants a G+T now so tell them to hurry up!"

Yes, and when warned by someone to not hire too many homosexuals she apparently said "without them we'd have to go self-service"!!

Actually it's not true to say a man married to the Queen could not have the title of King. He wouldn't be The King, but if Parliament wanted to give him the title of King in the same way as a Queen Consort, there's no constitutional reason why not. Phillip of Spain (who was a king in his own right) had the title when he married Mary I. It was not held to be a great success, and Queen Anne's husband was just known as Prince George (of Denmark).
Before Anne, there were King William III and Queen Mary II, who were joint monarchs, although Mary was the actual heir of her father James II, who was deemed to have abdicated when he fled the country after William III invaded. William was reputed to have refused to be his wife's 'gentleman usher' and as Mary supported him and Parliament was grateful to him for having saved them from the Catholic James, he was made joint monarch - and actually ruled alone for several years after Mary's death.
Victoria was very keen to have Albert given the title of King Consort, but was advised that Parliament wouldn't grant it; there was a fair amount of prejudice against the foreign Albert.

Should Charles die and William takes over - she won’t be the Queen mother will she? Queen step mother?

@EdithWeston

Prince Philip was a prince in his own right, as part of the Greek royal family, not through being married to the Queen

He renounced his foreign princedom in order to marry Princess Elizabeth. He was recreated as. British Prince in letters patent issued in 1957. In the early years of their marriage he was simply HRH the Duke of Edinburgh

You are right, I stand corrected!

@KittenKong

Should Charles die and William takes over - she won’t be the Queen mother will she? Queen step mother?

No. If she'd already become Queen, she'd just be known as Queen Camilla. If Charles predeceases his mother, I suppose she'd carry on with the Duchess of Cornwall title

It then there’d be two queens?

How mad is this - we haven’t had a chance of regent in lifetimes!

@KittenKong

It then there’d be two queens?

Yes. When the QM was alive there were two Queens. Both Elizabeth! As someone has said upthread, old Queen Mary was still alive in 1952, so there were three Queens!

@KittenKong

Should Charles die and William takes over - she won’t be the Queen mother will she? Queen step mother?

She could be known as the Queen Dowager, or Dowager Queen, but it's not a very attractive-sounding title 😁

The Widow Queen. TWQ. Has a good ring to it, if Charlie kicks the bucket before her.

When you think about it "Queen Mother" is a bloody weird title!

@sabrinatheteenagemortal

Is anyone else looking at the word queen and thinking it looks wrong as they have read it so much in one thread? Just me... ok.

I was just thinking this exact thing.

Camilla won't be Queen if Big Ears doesn't outlive his mother.

If that situation were to happen it rather casts her adrift, as she is not the immediate blood relative of any of the remaining Family.

@KittenKong

Should Charles die and William takes over - she won’t be the Queen mother will she? Queen step mother?

I think you've missed some posts earlier in the thread.

Queen Mother is an alternate title for Dowager Queen.

But neither need be used unless both old and new queen have the same first name

Not likely to arise, unless the Duchess of Cambridge meets an untimely demise and Prince William remarries someone called Camilla, or Prince George does and she's still around no when he becomes king

The more often they rehearse for HMQs funeral the longer she will live. Charlie will be knackered and his face will go purple with the wait.

@mixum

The more often they rehearse for HMQs funeral the longer she will live. Charlie will be knackered and his face will go purple with the wait.

Then let the rehearsals be twice daily. I never want her to go.

DrSbaitso

That was the intention of my post. But twice a day rehearsals would be a tad too much for London traffic to cope with.

If that situation were to happen it rather casts her adrift, as she is not the immediate blood relative of any of the remaining Family

Well, I'm sure she will be well provided for in Charles' will!

She'd remain HRH the Duchess of Cornwall, for she will become the Dowager duchess, but what sort of public profile she has in these circs will probably be up to her.

I doubt that there wouid be any confusion between her and the next duchess, because there won't be any inhibition about using the Princess of Wales for the next one