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AIBU to say that people in the “real world” absolutely do care about Downing Street parties?

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PuzzledObserver · 09/02/2022 18:54

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60318610

According to Mark Spencer MP, the new leader of the House of Commons, people don’t care about partygate because what really matters to them is their jobs, NHS backlogs and energy prices.

Personally I am capable of caring about all of those AND being incensed by the “do what I say not what I do” attitude of certain members of the Government and its officials.

YABU = of course nobody cares, move on

YANBU = it absolutely matters that they told us one thing and did another themselves.

OP posts:
StoneofDestiny · 09/02/2022 21:49

“How Boris Johnson Could Lose Power Over a Party in His Garden,” ran a headline in The New York Times. The newspaper observed that two “grand British institutions” – the monarchy and the Government – had “pitched simultaneously into crisis” with the scandals surrounding the Prime Minister and Prince Andrew.

The Washington Post’s Henry Olsen said Mr Johnson looked like a “dead man walking“, while CNN host Kaitlan Collins said the jeers and laughter in reaction to his apology constituted a “remarkable scene”. CBS News said the Prime Minister “faced the most serious questions of his time in office”.

Spanish newspaper El Pais was saying that the Conservative Party had begun to organise “the fall of the prime minister“.

La Razon, a right-wing Spanish daily, observed on Tuesday that Mr Johnson’s “infinite arrogance, typical of the British aristocracy and upper bourgeoisie” explained his mistakes. The Prime Minister has gone from a “quirky” character to a “boorish jester“, the newspaper concluded.

Commentator Rafael Ramos noted in Catalonia’s La Vanguardia that Mr Johnson “may fall not because of Brexit, or his management of the pandemic, his attacks on democracy and his disregard for international treaties, but because of organising banned parties”, adding: “Downing Street, by the looks of it, has been a permanent party for the last two years"

Italy’s La Repubblica said that Mr Johnson would be remembered for a cheese and wine gathering rather than Brexit, headlining its story: “The forbidden party that kills ‘King Boris‘”. NRC Handelsblad in the Netherlands added that “Boris Johnson’s supporters think it’s time for him to leave“.

French daily Libération said this week that Mr Johnson was trying “everything to save his skin” amid a flood of damaging revelations. “The party is over, and so are the jokes,” said the left-leaning newspaper. “The cascading revelations of corruption cases involving his party, as well as illegal evenings held in his residence in 2020 led him to this dangerous 12 days.”

Le Monde remarked that “feverishness is at its height in Downing Street”. A comment piece in the French newspaper said, “Boris Johnson’s contempt for the rules enacted under his own authority rightly causes intense anger”, calling the scandal scandal “clearly one too many” and suggesting it marked “the beginning of the end of Mr Johnson’s thunderous reign over British politics. This time, the contempt for the people is flagrant.”

Le Figaro said fellow Conservatives were “sharpening their knives”, and asked: “Will Boris Johnson go down in UK history as the leader who got Brexit done or as an amateur politician sunk by his taste for partying?”

German newspaper Bild headlined its story on Dominic Cummings on Wednesday, “Revenge of the Dark Lord of Downing Street“, claiming the dispute was becoming personal “and really dirty too!”

Le Soir in Belgium, meanwhile, compared Mr Johnson to tennis star Novak Djokovic, commenting: “Both have apologised and must take responsibility for faults”.

“He partied as the rest of his country was locked up at home,” said a report on Indian news channel World is One News (WION). “Now he is toast and the party is over”.

grabitnoe · 09/02/2022 21:51

Nope don't care one bit

NETSRIK · 09/02/2022 21:53

The people saying they don't care must be happy to be lied to and made a mug of which is really quite sad.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/02/2022 21:55

Could I ask the people who say they don't care - do you vote? If so, did you vote for Johnson? Would you vote for him again?

Arsewangry · 09/02/2022 21:58

I care about the parties. It was hypocritical and the lies and deceit since it all came out has been embarrassing. It does show a certain level of contempt towards the general public. And on the back of it, it looks like the rest of us civil servants (who weren't partying and were following all the rules) are going to have to have extra training or some such twaddle according to work today. I didn't like the lack of accountability and the blame shifting. I am more than capable of holding more than one grudge at once. Brexit, partygate, cost of living, and so much more.

HamSandwichKiller · 09/02/2022 22:02

"Could I ask the people who say they don't care - do you vote? If so, did you vote for Johnson? Would you vote for him again?"

I never voted for him in the first place. It's not like he ever hid the kind of person he is. Why is anyone surprised now? Literally no idea how anyone is capable of getting excited about these latest entirety predictable shambles.

Etinoxaurus · 09/02/2022 22:02

I posted upthread about caring because it’s made the government incapable of governing. They’re having to scamper around courting us and trying to be popular.
On another level I completely couldn’t care less, I expected no honour or integrity from BoJo and I imagine anyone who voted for him did so cynically (triple locked pension etc) or naively.

Mogwig · 09/02/2022 22:04

YANBU.

They didn't just tell us one thing. They made it illegal to disobey the rules.

So people obeyed: they had to die alone, not say goodbye to relatives, lose the last months or weeks of their loved ones' lives; they followed the rules, to be fair to everyone.

Then the rule-makers disobeyed the rules. And did they disobey so that they could hold the hand of a dying parent? No. They disobeyed so they could get pissed because it was Christmas.

Christmas for them. They told the rest of us we'd have to make sacrifices and have no Christmas.

HOW is that not important?

SilverGlitterBaubles · 09/02/2022 22:05

@StoneofDestiny It's mind boggling how the rest of the world can see what's going on but we are being told nothing to see here the public don't care.

I said this to MIL that the world is now looking at us with the same pity and horror as we looked at the USA when Trump was president. She was having none of it and started ranting that we won the war and beat the EU with vaccines Hmm

mum2jakie · 09/02/2022 22:05

Yes, I care about the looming economic crisis at the same time as caring about the Tories' absolute piss take of the electorate by flouting the rules they imposed on the rest of us!

MorrisZapp · 09/02/2022 22:06

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Could I ask the people who say they don't care - do you vote? If so, did you vote for Johnson? Would you vote for him again?
I've never voted tory. I'd never vote for BJ.

Politically homeless though as I'm in Scotland and I know what a woman is.

Welliesandpyjamas · 09/02/2022 22:10

Yanbu

narcdad · 09/02/2022 22:11

No I don't really care.

I still saw my family and friends during the lockdowns, my kids still went to school, I still went to work.

All the while knowing that the shit would hit the fan and the cost of lockdowns would mean misery for years to come, financially, physically and emotionally, only now we are seeing the repercussions and still some are fixated on cheese & wine parties, yes it's hypocritical bullshit but seriously need to move on now.

southeastdweller · 09/02/2022 22:11

@NETSRIK

The people saying they don't care must be happy to be lied to and made a mug of which is really quite sad.
How'd you work that out? I knew from the beginning that they were lying and fear mongering about some aspects of Covid to keep people compliant, so surely the people who were made 'mugs' of were the people who followed all the rules and guidelines and not myself?

I'm surprised anyone's surprised about what they got up to.

Twillow · 09/02/2022 22:12

@Whingasaurus

I don't really care its annoying but I think they are all the same tbh, the only people in my social circle who do are die hard lefties so they'd find something. Chatting in a shop the other day and not one person cared. I think there's been so much stupid shit thrown around, eh wallpapergate that it's all lost any impact.
The very definition of the boiling frog analogy (for those who don't know, apparently frogs will not jump out of a pot of water that is boiled from cols as they get accustomed to each temperature increase and fail to notice it is killing them -I don't know if this is actually true) Every single day there is some new scandal in this government. I despair. Did anyone else think the interview from Boris' new advisor about their first meeting was shocking - "not a complete idiot" "sang Gloria Gaynor together"??
Millionairesshortbreadshort · 09/02/2022 22:14

Smug is right. He was smirking while he lied about this. Then smirking when he said ‘let’s wait for the report’. Vile man. Simply vile.

mummykel16 · 09/02/2022 22:16

I don't expect any better from any politician so I guess you could say I don't care

Twillow · 09/02/2022 22:16

@StoneofDestiny

“How Boris Johnson Could Lose Power Over a Party in His Garden,” ran a headline in The New York Times. The newspaper observed that two “grand British institutions” – the monarchy and the Government – had “pitched simultaneously into crisis” with the scandals surrounding the Prime Minister and Prince Andrew.

The Washington Post’s Henry Olsen said Mr Johnson looked like a “dead man walking“, while CNN host Kaitlan Collins said the jeers and laughter in reaction to his apology constituted a “remarkable scene”. CBS News said the Prime Minister “faced the most serious questions of his time in office”.

Spanish newspaper El Pais was saying that the Conservative Party had begun to organise “the fall of the prime minister“.

La Razon, a right-wing Spanish daily, observed on Tuesday that Mr Johnson’s “infinite arrogance, typical of the British aristocracy and upper bourgeoisie” explained his mistakes. The Prime Minister has gone from a “quirky” character to a “boorish jester“, the newspaper concluded.

Commentator Rafael Ramos noted in Catalonia’s La Vanguardia that Mr Johnson “may fall not because of Brexit, or his management of the pandemic, his attacks on democracy and his disregard for international treaties, but because of organising banned parties”, adding: “Downing Street, by the looks of it, has been a permanent party for the last two years"

Italy’s La Repubblica said that Mr Johnson would be remembered for a cheese and wine gathering rather than Brexit, headlining its story: “The forbidden party that kills ‘King Boris‘”. NRC Handelsblad in the Netherlands added that “Boris Johnson’s supporters think it’s time for him to leave“.

French daily Libération said this week that Mr Johnson was trying “everything to save his skin” amid a flood of damaging revelations. “The party is over, and so are the jokes,” said the left-leaning newspaper. “The cascading revelations of corruption cases involving his party, as well as illegal evenings held in his residence in 2020 led him to this dangerous 12 days.”

Le Monde remarked that “feverishness is at its height in Downing Street”. A comment piece in the French newspaper said, “Boris Johnson’s contempt for the rules enacted under his own authority rightly causes intense anger”, calling the scandal scandal “clearly one too many” and suggesting it marked “the beginning of the end of Mr Johnson’s thunderous reign over British politics. This time, the contempt for the people is flagrant.”

Le Figaro said fellow Conservatives were “sharpening their knives”, and asked: “Will Boris Johnson go down in UK history as the leader who got Brexit done or as an amateur politician sunk by his taste for partying?”

German newspaper Bild headlined its story on Dominic Cummings on Wednesday, “Revenge of the Dark Lord of Downing Street“, claiming the dispute was becoming personal “and really dirty too!”

Le Soir in Belgium, meanwhile, compared Mr Johnson to tennis star Novak Djokovic, commenting: “Both have apologised and must take responsibility for faults”.

“He partied as the rest of his country was locked up at home,” said a report on Indian news channel World is One News (WION). “Now he is toast and the party is over”.

Thank you for this. We need a wake-up call to realise that the rest of the world does not see us as many think they do. It's very sad, though given the last 5 years unsurprising, to see that Britain is not seen in the same way abroad as many Brits think it is.
ThinWomansBrain · 09/02/2022 22:16

it's not the parties per se - it's just the sheer bloody arrogance, total lack of integrity and blatant disregard for the truth.

I cannot believe thev've not got to 54 letters yet - someone is shoving them down the back of the sofa

Twillow · 09/02/2022 22:18

@towers14

I don't care, I'd be a hypocrite to, I broke the rules and so did all my friends. Also Boris has totally 'bought' me by abandoning the covid pass and lifting all restrictions. He'll get my vote. There's bigger things going on in the world right now to worry about workplace parties that happened ages ago. The level of backstabbing is astounding!
Wtf. At least you're honest... What things in the world are worrying you more than what's going on at home, I wonder?
StoneofDestiny · 09/02/2022 22:18

Yes SilverGlitterBaubles I agree. I used to laugh in dismay at how people could have voted for Berlusconi and Trump - unbelievable we have our own spawn of them both.
They laughed at their voters, misled them, lied, womanised and incited people to turn on each other. All that while throwing 'fake news' around to run down opponents. Johnson would never come before the public on TV to answer questions - now we know why.

mummykel16 · 09/02/2022 22:20

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Could I ask the people who say they don't care - do you vote? If so, did you vote for Johnson? Would you vote for him again?
I have no alternative.
QueenOfHiraeth · 09/02/2022 22:21

@Florenz

I think the people that care are those predisposed to hate the Tories anyway. The next general election is several years away and I don't see it being a factor by that point. I'm not convinced that Labour or any other politicians wouldn't have done any different. It's always one rule for the masses but another rule for those in power. No matter who is in power.
Agree completely. I am amazed that the media and Boris-haters who, a couple of years ago, were raging about how awful Dominic Cummings is are now shamelessly colluding in allowing him to leak and manipulate to try to bring down elected politicians If we could only have a bit more pulling together and less faction fighting within both parties the country would be better off
Twillow · 09/02/2022 22:21

Have you actually looked at the policies of any other parties?

mummykel16 · 09/02/2022 22:23

@Mogwig

YANBU.

They didn't just tell us one thing. They made it illegal to disobey the rules.

So people obeyed: they had to die alone, not say goodbye to relatives, lose the last months or weeks of their loved ones' lives; they followed the rules, to be fair to everyone.

Then the rule-makers disobeyed the rules. And did they disobey so that they could hold the hand of a dying parent? No. They disobeyed so they could get pissed because it was Christmas.

Christmas for them. They told the rest of us we'd have to make sacrifices and have no Christmas.

HOW is that not important?

Some who made the rules broke them to cop off with a bit on the side, some will do their best others won't, rules for thee