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AIBU to think they might actually read a book in English? (Secondary)

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runningoutofnewnames · 09/02/2022 16:00

DS's English class start reading books, then the teacher uses them to demonstrate some kind of grammar exercise or other construction of the English language - then they never actually finish it.

He's in Year 8, and they've only read one book from beginning to end in class since he started at secondary last year.

They're told they're not allowed to read ahead and often they're not even given the book, they're given photocopied sheets each lesson.

So, they read half of Animal Farm. The point of that was to teach them how to write a paragraph with a persuasive argument, apparently. Once they'd done that exercise, the module was finished and they stopped reading the book. DS loves reading and wants to discuss the content of the book in class. This isn't allowed.

This half term, they've done dystopian fiction but they've only read passages from books, not whole books (e.g. photo copied pages from the Hunger Games). The point of that was to demonstrate the elements needed to do a "creative" short story exercise - they were marked on the inclusion of these specific elements, not encouraged to be creative.

He's only read one whole book at school since he started nearly 18 months ago.

Do your DC read whole books in school?

We used to read loads when I was young! We did English Language AND literature when I went to school - it wasn't all about the mechanics of language, it was about appreciating books too and exploring ideas. I loved doing Animal Farm. We certainly read it to the end!

There's a similar focus on the mechanics and lack of creativity in his art lessons too, but that's another story.

Is this is the curriculum (fucking Gove's influence, still?) or his school, I wonder?

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BlackberrySky · 09/02/2022 16:59

OP, your school doesn't sound very good. Whilst I agree that the national curriculum is partly to blame, it doesn't sound like they are delivering it very well.

runningoutofnewnames · 09/02/2022 16:59

@ConnectingFive

They are copying colour wheels into their workbooks then creating a presentation of them.

That's one of the saddest things I've ever read.

Isn't it Sad
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ABitOfAShitShow · 09/02/2022 17:00

I did my GCSEs 20 years ago and we definitely read whole books throughout secondary school. 2 Shakespeares (can’t remember which as I did a few in college and they’ve all mingled together now), To Kill a Mockingbird, Z for Zachariah and Children of the Dust spring immediately to mind. I don’t think we sat around chatting about them or anything but we definitely read the whole thing and then focused on specific bits.

LlamaLucy · 09/02/2022 17:00

After the module has finished, the teacher doesn’t care if he reads on. So, why can’t he just read the book at his own leisure?! Go to the library, or ask to borrow the teacher’s copy.

Sirzy · 09/02/2022 17:00

Ds reads books in class as part of lessons and once a fortnight they have an English lesson in the library which is spent reading.

runningoutofnewnames · 09/02/2022 17:04

@BlackberrySky

OP, your school doesn't sound very good. Whilst I agree that the national curriculum is partly to blame, it doesn't sound like they are delivering it very well.
This is what I want to understand.

Generally the schools around here aren't brilliant IMO. But I was surprised to find out when I looked earlier today, that DS's school is the highest rated in terms of exam grades in our town. (0.39 above average on the Government website on this). Most are average or below.

I was looking as I was curious to see how we compare to the school just out of town that seemed to have a lovey ethos when we visited (but we couldn't get into). And I was surprised to see it's quite a bit lower in terms of overall exam scores.

Perhaps DS's school is teaching strictly to the exams at the expense of a rounded education? (I know all state schools probably are to a greater or lesser extent)

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KatieB55 · 09/02/2022 17:06

I remember reading whole books as a class at grammar school - Shakespeare, Lord of the Flies etc. Usually two books either side of half-term. We had to read on our own too and submit book reviews.

runningoutofnewnames · 09/02/2022 17:07

@ABitOfAShitShow

I did my GCSEs 20 years ago and we definitely read whole books throughout secondary school. 2 Shakespeares (can’t remember which as I did a few in college and they’ve all mingled together now), To Kill a Mockingbird, Z for Zachariah and Children of the Dust spring immediately to mind. I don’t think we sat around chatting about them or anything but we definitely read the whole thing and then focused on specific bits.
Did you do Children of the Dust at school?! Shock I read it at home and loved it, but it's pretty dark IIRC?! Or maybe I read it a bit too young and it left an impression... hmm...

We're probably around the same age I imagine!

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ABitOfAShitShow · 09/02/2022 17:07

I did art too - took GCSE and was able to do a couple of extra bits and get my GNVQ too - and it was almost ALL creative. I had workbook after workbook and I used to go into the classroom most lunchtimes to paint. I distinctly remember picking ‘figures on a staircase’ for my GCSE final piece and painting/pasteling a salmon ladder on a spiral staircase!

runningoutofnewnames · 09/02/2022 17:08

@LlamaLucy

After the module has finished, the teacher doesn’t care if he reads on. So, why can’t he just read the book at his own leisure?! Go to the library, or ask to borrow the teacher’s copy.
Yes he can, and I bought him Animal Farm for this, but it's not the same as studying a book in class.
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Enb76 · 09/02/2022 17:08

Same here with my year 8. Not read a single actual book, photocopied pages of an abridged version of a Brontë book - yes. I have bought second hand copies of the books she's reading extracts from where I can. Her English teacher has sent me a list of the books they will be covering in Y9 and I will get those too.

I was lucky enough to go to a school where we all had books and were encouraged to make notes in the margins.

AIBU to think they might actually read a book in English? (Secondary)
ABitOfAShitShow · 09/02/2022 17:09

@runningoutofnewnames We did both of those apocalyptic ones at school. I’m just having difficulty remembering which class. Definitely before year 10 because I can remember the ‘block’ the class was in!

Can’t remember what I had for tea yesterday but I remember that! Grin

ABitOfAShitShow · 09/02/2022 17:10

[quote ABitOfAShitShow]@runningoutofnewnames We did both of those apocalyptic ones at school. I’m just having difficulty remembering which class. Definitely before year 10 because I can remember the ‘block’ the class was in!

Can’t remember what I had for tea yesterday but I remember that! Grin[/quote]
Should say - I went to a decent but rough state school in Newcastle. So it wasn’t because I went to private school.

runningoutofnewnames · 09/02/2022 17:10

@Enb76

Same here with my year 8. Not read a single actual book, photocopied pages of an abridged version of a Brontë book - yes. I have bought second hand copies of the books she's reading extracts from where I can. Her English teacher has sent me a list of the books they will be covering in Y9 and I will get those too.

I was lucky enough to go to a school where we all had books and were encouraged to make notes in the margins.

Yes, that's what our books looked like in the private school I went to.

But we definitely weren't allowed to do that in the state school - the books were precious and we had to give them back at the end of term.

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runningoutofnewnames · 09/02/2022 17:11

I was lucky enough to go to a school where we all had books and were encouraged to make notes in the margins.

I wish this was what they were doing at DS's school

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LampLighter414 · 09/02/2022 17:11

At secondary in the 00s we didn't have enough time to read the books cover to cover in class. I think the only one we did was MacBeth in the run up to year 9 SATS, even then I question that we might have skipped some parts and read some summaries or had the teacher explain it instead. It took weeks and weeks of reading out loud in class with people taking turns with the characters and narrator.

Regardless, typical approach was to read some of the start/middle. Do some exercises (e.g. writing to persuade, description, grammar, iambic pentameter) and then typically finish the rest of the book by watching the movie. We did this with... A Midsummer Night's Dream, The Crucible, The Outsiders, Lord of the Flies (for GCSE English Lit, my written exam was on this book and hadn't even read it all - watched the movie and did a skip of a chunk of the book to focus on later sections where exam questions would be based around)

To sit and read through a whole book as a group in class takes time! So yes, YABU.

froomeonthebroom · 09/02/2022 17:11

It's the way the curriculum is structured. Y7 and 8 we do an intro to Shakespeare, so sections from various plays, 1 short novel that is read fully (eg Skellig), intro to poetry, sections from Gothic fiction. Y9 do sections from Dystopian fiction, and the whole of Christmas Carol and Macbeth for their Lit GCSE. There is more but I can't remember it all (I'm a TA, not often in English classes).

I find the English curriculum dull and lacking in creativity or choice for teachers. It's so sad.

MerryMarigold · 09/02/2022 17:16

It's the school, though not uncommon. My DC are in Y8 and read at least 5 books so far. The school is very very hot on reading as a way of doing better in every subject. They've done 'the Curious incident of the dog ..', 'of mice and men', 'blood brothers', a Shakespeare 'easy version' and others I don't know. It's a state school in deprived area. My niece's much 'naicer' school sounds like yours and my dsis is despairing as my niece absolutely loves reading but now 'hates English!'.

Sinthie · 09/02/2022 17:18

It seems sad that the mechanics of writing is prioritised above the full narrative and message of the text. If you’re struggling for time, you could get them on audio so he can finish them without needing reading support.

Lucia574 · 09/02/2022 17:20

I teach English in an independent and we read whole books in Key Stage 3. One a term, including Shakespeare in Years 8 and 9. We have lots of discussions and do lots of creative and analytical work.

Sinthie · 09/02/2022 17:21

*she

Enb76 · 09/02/2022 17:23

To sit and read through a whole book as a group in class takes time! So yes, YABU

Our homework was to read, 3 chapters, 6 over half term. Then we'd be asked questions on them in school. If you have the physical book you can read a whole book.

I do think this is where money has the edge for education. I can afford to buy my child the book so she's automatically privileged in having the full context.

SmallGreenStripes · 09/02/2022 17:24

Mine are half way through year 7 and on their fourth full class book

SmallGreenStripes · 09/02/2022 17:25

They read in tutor time as well as English lessons apparently

BiancaWhite · 09/02/2022 17:28

I think this is very common, but it sounds like your school have taken a particularly 'teach to the test' approach. It might be worth looking at other schools to see whether they do any better with the quality of teaching.

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