Any Tory who defended Boris's Savile smear as 'cut and thrust' should immediately recant

[noblegiraffe]

Any of the despicable lot who did the media rounds defending Boris making a far-right smear in parliament as 'political cut and thrust' should be faced with a journalist tomorrow asking whether they had reconsidered in the light of the mob surrounding Keir Starmer tonight calling him a fucking traitor, saying he should be hung, and repeating the same accusation. Their responses should be collated and published.

In recent years we have seen two MPs murdered. These mobs must be taken seriously. They should not be whipped up by the Prime Minister in the Houses of Parliament.

Boris has to accept responsibility for this, and every fucker who defended it as acceptable should be called to account.

PM Johnson lifted QAnon conspiracy

Or he was referring to this article in the Sun newspaper from June 2020;

www.thesun.co.uk/news/11639371/sir-keir-starmer-jimmy-savile-scandal/

I wrote to my MP last week, too, and have had no response.
I've written again today.
She seems to spend most of her time tweeting from the local bird sanctuary so I am not holding my breath.

noblegiraffe
Clav inexplicably didn't c&p this bit from her Pink News article...

You quoted from a book published in 2001 - I posted;

In Parliament, Boris Johnson was an early pro-LGBT rebel. *Despite his early beliefs, Johnson’s legislative record is markedly more liberal.

Defying the Conservative leadership at the time, Johnson voted in 2003 to abolish Section 28, which banned the “promotion” of homosexuality in schools, and voted in 2004 to permit civil partnerships for same-sex couples.

Alongside George Osborne and John Bercow, Johnson was one of just a handful of Tory MPs who were willing to back the Labour government’s LGBT+ reforms.

That Sun article is a disgrace, as is anyone who links to it.

So the Sun lifted a bollocks QAnon theory off the internet nearly 2 years ago and now PM Johnson has remembered it and thought it important? I suppose that article is more evidence for PM Johnson being responsible for the lynch mob though.

The conspiracy fuckwits didn't try to get KS then, but they came for him as soon as PM Johnson repeated and buoyed up their shite in the HoC.

@Clavinova

noblegiraffe Clav inexplicably didn't c&p this bit from her Pink News article...

You quoted from a book published in 2001 - I posted;

In Parliament, Boris Johnson was an early pro-LGBT rebel. *Despite his early beliefs, Johnson’s legislative record is markedly more liberal.

Defying the Conservative leadership at the time, Johnson voted in 2003 to abolish Section 28, which banned the “promotion” of homosexuality in schools, and voted in 2004 to permit civil partnerships for same-sex couples.

Alongside George Osborne and John Bercow, Johnson was one of just a handful of Tory MPs who were willing to back the Labour government’s LGBT+ reforms.

On the other hand, the same news source you use (Pink News) also has the article about the "tank topped bum boys" in which most of what he said could not actually be broadcast, even after 21:00, because it was considered 'too racist, too homophobic" and had to be censored.

With regard to his voting to abolish Section 28 (which his own party introduced - let's not forget), in 2000, in The Spectator, he wrote, about the Labour Party:

"This British Legislator is ... encouraging the teaching of homosexuality in schools, and all the rest of it, while his taxes are going on the Paris Metro and the SNCF. Where are the shrieks of protest ?"

Later, in 2019, during Question Time Johnson suggested that any offence around his past comments was manufactured.

noblegiraffe

Do you think Keir Starmer showed good leadership here?

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has said the comments were “not language that I would have used” and said it is a matter for Ms Rayner whether she apologised.

@MoltenLasagne

This is the first thing I've known that has even turned my Conservative voting colleagues. Everything else has been excused somehow but this seems to be the final straw. So it might actually hurt them at the ballot box at last.

I doubt it, no alternative

@Clavinova

noblegiraffe

Do you think Keir Starmer showed good leadership here?

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has said the comments were “not language that I would have used” and said it is a matter for Ms Rayner whether she apologised.

And he was correct. Angela Raynor did apologise, properly and fullsomely.

In other words, Keir Starmer knows his own front bench can be trusted to behave properly when they make a mistake.

Contrast that with the Tory front benches who are falling over themselves to say Johnson shouldn't apologise for what he did and it's all just part of the 'cut and thrust' of politics.

Double standards ? Yes. Misogyny ? Probably.

There are numerous alternatives @mummykel16. We are not a one party state.

BerylStrip
And he was correct. Angela Rayner did apologise, properly and fullsomely.

She apologised under pressure - more than four weeks after she made the remarks.

So when do you think Boris will finally apologise?

@Clavinova

BerylStrip And he was correct. Angela Rayner did apologise, properly and fullsomely.

She apologised under pressure - more than four weeks after she made the remarks.

She still apologised.

And, as I have said before, her statement about "Tory Scum" was, with hindsight, remarkably accurate given the behaviours of recent weeks.

Where is your darling Mr Johnson's apology - for anything, let alone the shocking and slandarous accusation about Keir Starmer which has led, in part, to Mr Starmer being attacked by a braying mob of hooligans ? I'll wait...

Back to yesterday's mob. Were they hard right activists whipped up by Johnson or hard left activist attacking Starmer? There seem to be many issues- freedom of choice, freedom for Assange, supporting the govt on lockdowns...

Johnson is apparently "too busy" to apologise
Yesterday he was doing photo opps at a hospital and playing football at a Kent FC
Don't know which dressing up outfit he has on today but apparently is too busy again.

@TooBigForMyBoots

There are numerous alternatives *@mummykel16*. We are not a one party state.

We are in every way that matters

Here's what Boris said "used his time [as DPP] prosecuting journalists and failing to prosecute Jimmy Savile, as far as I can see”

Here's what the Sun article said:
"The CPS came under fire for their decisions not to prosecute - and while the Labour leader had no involvement in the decision not to prosecute, he commissioned a review of the service"

So I'm really not convinced that Johnson got his Savile smear from a two year old Sun article

TBF to Angela Rayner, joking about bombing a female MP's office is pretty scummy. As is negotiating international treaties in bad faith. And using the victims of Jimmy Savile, a proud supporter of the conservative party, to score nasty points in parliament.

Also @clavinova

Could you come back to me on the points I raised with Johnson's articles in the Spectator about Section 28 and all the other points in my longer post covering his racist utterances, his comments on single mothers, the working classes and so on.

It would show you in a much better light if you didn't just selectively pick out posts you think might be able to be picked apart (although you're failing badly here) and replied to them all. Mr Johnson will be grateful for rebutting all those naughty left-wing nut jobs on Mumsnet and pat you on the bum for being a good little girlie. If you're really lucky, he might have an affair with you !

Thanks to FPTP, we do end up with an elected dictatorship, but the UK is far from a one party state. There are numerous, established other parties and independents on the ballot card. No one has to vote Conservative, or even vote at all.

So I'm really not convinced that Johnson got his Savile smear from a two year old Sun article

Plenty of apologies in that article as well, e.g.

In his apology, Sir Keir said: "I accept the conclusions reached by Ms Levitt QC...
...I would like to take the opportunity to apologise for the shortcomings in the part played by the CPS in these cases. "But I also want to go further. If this report and my apology are to serve their full purpose, then this must be seen as a watershed moment...

@Clavinova

So I'm really not convinced that Johnson got his Savile smear from a two year old Sun article

Plenty of apologies in that article as well, e.g.

In his apology, Sir Keir said: "I accept the conclusions reached by Ms Levitt QC...
...I would like to take the opportunity to apologise for the shortcomings in the part played by the CPS in these cases. "But I also want to go further. If this report and my apology are to serve their full purpose, then this must be seen as a watershed moment...

We're still waiting for you to find an apology from Mr Johnson, Clavinova.

A proper apology.

You know - like the one from Mr Starmer you just linked.

We're all waiting...

Careful now, you're making Starmer sound like a responsible, grown up, politician @Clavinova.

BerylStrip
Could you come back to me on the points I raised with Johnson's articles in the Spectator

Boris Johnson made remarks about Tory MPs in some of those same articles - he was employed as a satirist.

Do you remember Tony Blair's remarks?
Blair: Single mothers 'piling up problems' in Britain's inner cities.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blair-single-mothers-piling-up-problems-in-britain-s-inner-cities-529604.html

[quote Clavinova]BerylStrip
Could you come back to me on the points I raised with Johnson's articles in the Spectator

Boris Johnson made remarks about Tory MPs in some of those same articles - he was employed as a satirist.

Do you remember Tony Blair's remarks?
Blair: Single mothers 'piling up problems' in Britain's inner cities.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blair-single-mothers-piling-up-problems-in-britain-s-inner-cities-529604.html[/quote]
Sorry, not buying it love. He's such a misogynist and it's clear the remarks were genuinely meant as they were so offensive.

Also, can we stop the 'whataboutism' please. It's not a good look.

Want another try ? Because so far, you're failing miserably and you won't be getting your pat on the bum bum from Boris. He doesn't like it when naughty little girlies like you don't do as they're told.