To be glad Norway is banning breeding deformed dogs?

[AnakinthePadawhine]

Norway will ban the breeding of King Charles and British bulldogs. I hope that this will catch on in other countries, and force breeders and Kennel Clubs to change their stupid and harmful standards?
Can pugs and French bulldogs be next?

www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/02/02/norway-bans-breeding-british-bulldog-king-charles-cavalier-spaniel/

Very good question Nontransfer - I am a dog and other pet/owner of many decades - occasionally my animals gave birth. Sometimes it was for 'breeding' (cattle and sheep) and sometimes it was 'happy accident', like my son, unplanned.

But I have some nice human friends, nice dog-loving people, who happen to breed Frenchies too AND IT'S WRONG. I think they know that now.

All you have to do is show any French Bulldog Owner/Breeder the mega increase in recent KC registrations, market is gone.

Good for Norway, dog breeding (well, inbreeding) has got scandalously out of hand, it’s sickening. It’s not just these breeds either, as a pp said. The “pure” in “purebred” is just euphemistic window dressing. These poor animals are inbred, and the horror show mutants people seem to find so cute are sick and deformed. It’s unbelievably cruel.

Hopefully all pugs and dachshunds next

Some other countries have laws in place to deal with qualzucht:
www.petethevet.com/qualzucht-is-a-term-that-should-be-understood-by-everyone-who-cares-about-animals/

Google "micro pocket bully" if you want to see how far humankind can fuck up another species.

When ds was researching his English persuasive essay he found Denmark has banned the worst short nosed breeds since 2014 www.vettimes.co.uk/news/dutch-to-crack-down-on-breeding-of-dogs-with-too-short-snouts/

It tells us everything we need to know about our relationship with dogs that despite all the specialisations and deformities we’ve breed into them, we don’t breed them for long life.

I don’t think banning is the way to go but something definitely needs to be done. The kc have a lot to answer for in some ways yes they make it so the animals are registered and traceable but they hold up unrealistic ideals as a standard. Banning breeds doesn’t actually work look at the issues with pit bulls or “type” they still exist here.

Like the example of working vs show German shepherds something of which I know about. The kc need to go back to caring about the breed rather than making it as pretty as possible.

I think vets shouldn’t be allowed to artificially inseminate a bitch that cannot breed unless there is some amazing reason to keep the blood lines going, bitches from breeds well known to need sections due to bad breeding should be spayed during these sections if they haven’t been before hand.

[quote WeAllHaveWings]When ds was researching his English persuasive essay he found Denmark has banned the worst short nosed breeds since 2014 www.vettimes.co.uk/news/dutch-to-crack-down-on-breeding-of-dogs-with-too-short-snouts/[/quote]
The Netherlands?

@Thewolvesarerunningagain

It tells us everything we need to know about our relationship with dogs that despite all the specialisations and deformities we’ve breed into them, we don’t breed them for long life.

Inbreeding doesn’t tend to produce longevity, as the Hapsburgs discovered.

Meanwhile my 11 year old Heinz 57 is fit as a fiddle and never been sick. I’ve never bothered with insurance for him, because I’d have spent ten times in premiums what I’ve actually spent at the vet.

Which breeds are the least "bad"?

The Netherlands?

Jeez 😳 it was 2 years ago, had it in my head it was denmark, Googled denmark and never actually read it 🤦🏻‍♀️

I feel so sorry everytime I see a French bulldog and pug… they always sound like they’re struggling to bread. I also red that pugs eyes falls out because they’ve been over bread to have a face that’s as squashed as possible

all dogs are deformed are they not?

This is why I don’t understand the insistence in the doghouse that purebred is the way to go. Surely nice healthy mutts with a good dose of hybrid vigour can only do the population good

@Bitofachinwag

Oh, so those breeds will just die out?

Hopefully, yes

I read the title quickly and thought it said “AIBU to be glad that Norway is banning breastfeeding dogs”

@FelicityBeedle

This is why I don’t understand the insistence in the doghouse that purebred is the way to go. Surely nice healthy mutts with a good dose of hybrid vigour can only do the population good

Health tested pure breeds selected because they are functional is still a good thing.

The problem is breeding for show standards/looks over health.

I have a rescue pug, she's my second actually and I wholeheartedly welcome this. I wish that this was being extended to all brachycephalic breeds.

Pugs are lovely dogs with wonderful temperaments and cracking little personalities, they are wonderful with children and just excellent little family dogs. They would still be all those things with a proper snout that allowed them to breath efficiently, longer legs and back and eyes that sit properly in the skull.

It is criminal what we have done to these wonderful dogs. Sadly the issues go much further than longer snouts and breathing issues, the breed is beset by a horrendous neurological condition (one that I believe is much more prevalent than statistics would have us believe as it's only able to be definitively diagnosed with a post mortem) that basically destroys the dogs brain as the immune system starts attacking it. We lost our first rescue to it and it's horrific. Truly horrific. That along with various spinal, hip, knee and eye issues it is high time that the dogs were put first.

Well done Norway.

@VelvetChairGirl yes most breeds are bred to be a certain type but they have generally been bred carefully through bloodlines. Unlike cockyshitpoos who are being bred in back gardens.

Even the person who started the labradoodle has said that he wished that he hadn't started it.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/sep/26/labradoodle-inventor-lifes-regret-frankenstein-monster

@powershowerforanhour

Some other countries have laws in place to deal with qualzucht: www.petethevet.com/qualzucht-is-a-term-that-should-be-understood-by-everyone-who-cares-about-animals/

Google "micro pocket bully" if you want to see how far humankind can fuck up another species.

Fucking hell!! They look like reptiles?!

@LakieLady

I'm delighted. I wish they'd do it here, too.

If breeders were more responsible about not breeding for these exaggerated features, and not breeding from dogs with inherited conditions, this wouldn't be an issue.

^ this Good. Need to stop breeding until these dogs in shelters get rehomed, need dog licenses, should be a requirement you prove what happened to your last pet before you get another.

Good. Have you seen a pug skull?

We've bred this. As far as I'm concerned, that's animal cruelty.

There are several dog breeds that should not be bred any more because they are condemned to a life of awful health issues. Often a reduced life span too

Which, given what humans have done to the poor things is probably not a bad thing.

[quote ButtockUp]@VelvetChairGirl yes most breeds are bred to be a certain type but they have generally been bred carefully through bloodlines. Unlike cockyshitpoos who are being bred in back gardens.

Even the person who started the labradoodle has said that he wished that he hadn't started it.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/sep/26/labradoodle-inventor-lifes-regret-frankenstein-monster[/quote]
but they are all mutants nothing like wild dogs any of them, none of them look healthy to me, except maybe huskeys

I'm happy and sad about this. I've had cavaliers All my life, they are wonderful companions. We've had pedigree pups and rescues

All have had nothing more than a later life heart murmur and all made it until the ripe old age of 14 ish.

10 years ago you really had to jump through hoops to get a pup and find a breeder through the kennel club as they were few and far between with small litters. Now it seems it's a huge money making enterprise with little regard for welfare which is just so wrong.

our most recent rescues came from an irresponsible 'breeder' basically a puppy mill and the house had 10 dogs that had to be rehomed. I support and follow a couple of cavalier rescue charities and the irresponsible breeding diseases of chari malformation and syringomyelia are definitely real.

A world without cavs would be a lesser place for me 😢

I can’t think of a much worse life than being a pug or a bulldog.
I hate having a blocked nose for a day nevermind suffocating my whole life

Anything that can’t breathe without noise or keep its eyes from protruding from its skull should be banned IMO.