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Do you think Spotify should continue to host Joe Rogan's podcast?

317 replies

lonelyapple · 30/01/2022 17:34

Quite a few singers (Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren to name a few) have said they want to have their music removed from Spotify as a protest against Spotify hosting Joe Rogan's podcast (they think he is spreading covid vaccine misinformation), so Spotify will have to choose between hosting their music or Joe Rogan's podcast.

I personally think this is ridiculous as Joe Rogan talks to a range of people about a range of different subjects and his podcasts are interesting and popular and people can always choose not to listen to them and even if they do, it doesn't mean they believe everything being said. I don't think Spotify should cave to such threats and I think this would set a dangerous precedent.

www.ft.com/content/a9fdaf0d-8d46-4a16-881f-a1b0635d3ce3

YANBU - Spotify should keep Joe Rogan's podcast.
YABU - Spotify should not keep Joe Rogan's podcast.

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user1471504747 · 30/01/2022 19:13

Free speech is not, and never has been, speech without any sort of consequences.

No company owes individuals a platform to spread their views. If your speech is incompatible with the platform they don’t have to continue to allow it. Same with MNHQ deleting posts and banning posters.

user1471504747 · 30/01/2022 19:14

Weird coincidence cross post with Pumper there Grin

maddening · 30/01/2022 19:15

He should keep his podcast, fucking media types and luvies trying to control speech are a pita.

LondonWolf · 30/01/2022 19:16

It's all a bit silly and has simply given massive publicity to a 3 hour podcast that no one in their right mind would have bothered listening to anyway.

Grin so you're in your right mind because you can't be arsed to listen to a long form podcast? Millions of people listen to him, all over the world. Many of his guests are hugely successful and at the top of their fields. I guess they're all limited thinkers right? Not like you!

The rest of your comment is spot on though.

Pumperthepumper · 30/01/2022 19:16

@user1471504747

Weird coincidence cross post with Pumper there Grin
Haha I was just thinking that!
Lilifer · 30/01/2022 19:17

It's ridiculous.

I think though that Spotify have already decided against removing Joe Rogan so bye bye Neil and Joni.

Quite disappointed in them (Neil and Joni) because I thought they would have believed in freedom of speech.

Thing about joe Rogan (because I've listened to these episodes that supposedly spread misinfo) he's very good at challenging the guests and does so frequently - no ones gets to spout off anything without being challenged, which is how it should be.

Good for Spotify, I'll keep paying my sub 👏🏻

sashagabadon · 30/01/2022 19:20

@user1471504747

Free speech is not, and never has been, speech without any sort of consequences.

No company owes individuals a platform to spread their views. If your speech is incompatible with the platform they don’t have to continue to allow it. Same with MNHQ deleting posts and banning posters.

That’s all well and good until it is a private company banning something you agree with.

Should private companies be able to decide what is true or not? That’s where we’re heading.

Spotify have removed Neil Young in any case so it is Neil Young we don’t get to hear anymore not joe rogan ( assuming you have Spotify - I don’t)

Cornettoninja · 30/01/2022 19:20

Removing JR from one platform isn’t going to do anything against the tidal wave of rogan worshippers tbh.

I find it incredulous that a faintly successful comedian has managed to gain such a lucrative audience but there you go.

The man is just a contrarian who only subscribed to conspiracy, I may be misremembering but right back at the beginning when covid was only a ‘thing’ in Wuhan but he was the absolute complete opposite of the stance he takes now because that’s where the conspiracists happily sat before it became globally relevant.

I saw a video of one of his podcasts and a colleague called him out very clearly on the fact he knows nothing just like everyone else and his stance is motivated by fear. He looked like a schoolboy.

Pumperthepumper · 30/01/2022 19:22

Should private companies be able to decide what is true or not? That’s where we’re heading

They’re not deciding what’s true or not though. They’re deciding how much controversy they’re prepared to allow on their site. Tesco do similar: if you stood in Tesco ranting about vaccines they’d ask you to leave.

FluffyBooBoo · 30/01/2022 19:24

It's a podcast. It's not going to be solely on Spotify, so it's not like he would be losing his only way to be heard.

I don't care either way. Imo Spotify is a business, and so this should be a business decision - and they know their business better than me.

FluffyBooBoo · 30/01/2022 19:25

@maddening

He should keep his podcast, fucking media types and luvies trying to control speech are a pita.
Not being on Spotify wouldn't mean he would stop his podcast. There's loads of ways to listen to them.
LondonWolf · 30/01/2022 19:26

I saw a video of one of his podcasts and a colleague called him out very clearly on the fact he knows nothing just like everyone else and his stance is motivated by fear. He looked like a schoolboy.

He says this himself though. Constantly. That he doesn't know much but likes finding things out and talking about stuff. I find him to be likeable, if somewhat boring when he starts talking about weed and his diet of elk meat Hmm

Lilifer · 30/01/2022 19:29

@LondonWolf

Yes! I'm staggered at the numbers of people who seem to be fully down with censorship these days.

If you think he's a huge problem and feeding out unquestioned disinformation then you have not listened to the podcast. He pushes back, forces explanation and fact checks assertions in real time - well his assistant Jamie does. He's a valuable and essential voice in these days of cancellation for wrong speak.

Absolutely agree. I've listened to the Robert Malone interview, joe rogan regularily interrupts him to challenge his statements.

What right does Neil Young or Joni Mitchell have to decide what Joe Rogans 26 million odd listernship get to listen to? Fucking arrogance of them!

Lilifer · 30/01/2022 19:31

@LondonWolf

Neil Young? This Neil Young? The Neil Young who also has a tour coming up and seems to be trying to drum up some kind of interest in it?
Yeah thanks but no thanks Neil. Off you pop now and don't let the door hit your fuckin arse on the way out. Homophobic hypocrite!
HoliHormonalTigerlilly · 30/01/2022 19:33

@Diablo2

I don't like this deplatforming of people with different views.

I disagree with anti-vaxxers but it's my mind to make up. They should be entitled to have the same courtesy. Otherwise, we're all in an echo chamber, aren't we, only being able to listen to sanctioned opinions. I think it's a dangerous road to go down.

What if it was hosting a really sexist or racist podcast?
1Week · 30/01/2022 19:33

No, we are definitely going down a dangerous road.

I never thought I'd see the day when it was all the left leaning people advocating for suppression of speech, more deference to government and defending the rights of massive corporations.

Cornettoninja · 30/01/2022 19:33

@LondonWolf

I saw a video of one of his podcasts and a colleague called him out very clearly on the fact he knows nothing just like everyone else and his stance is motivated by fear. He looked like a schoolboy.

He says this himself though. Constantly. That he doesn't know much but likes finding things out and talking about stuff. I find him to be likeable, if somewhat boring when he starts talking about weed and his diet of elk meat Hmm

Fair enough, I wouldn’t know, I don’t listen to him. I quite like a good conspiracy but I don’t find him entertaining in the slightest and my opinion of him has taken a nosedive since he seems to have no concept of the responsibility of popularity.

I do find it strange that he could be clearly telling people he knows fuck all and still wield clout. Idiocracy was bang on the money.

HoliHormonalTigerlilly · 30/01/2022 19:33

@Twillow

I think they should remove it. Free speech should not be a license to spout uncensored influential shit.
This.
FluffyBooBoo · 30/01/2022 19:35

What right does Neil Young or Joni Mitchell have to decide what Joe Rogans 26 million odd listernship get to listen to? Fucking arrogance of them!

That's not what they have done. They have decided that they don't want to be part of the same platform as him - which they are fully entitled to decide.

NutsOhHazelnuts · 30/01/2022 19:35

What right does Neil Young or Joni Mitchell have to decide what Joe Rogans 26 million odd listernship get to listen to? Fucking arrogance of them!

Absolutely this.

YANBU, op.

AngeloMysterioso · 30/01/2022 19:35

Where are all the voices of outrage demanding the removal of eg. Marilyn Manson? That’s the kind of cancelling I could get behind.

thewhatsit · 30/01/2022 19:36

I wouldn’t object strongly to removing artists who have committed serious crimes although we would still lose some great music in doing so that forms part of our culture…

A podcast where people share views on current topics? What on earth is the problem??

Lilifer · 30/01/2022 19:36

"Twillow
I think they should remove it. Free speech should not be a license to spout uncensored influential shit."

So by extension are you then saying that free speech should be a license to only spout censored influential shit?🤔

countbackfromten · 30/01/2022 19:38

I have cancelled my Spotify premium and closed my account. I don’t have to fund such people and I won’t.

Pumperthepumper · 30/01/2022 19:38

@1Week

No, we are definitely going down a dangerous road.

I never thought I'd see the day when it was all the left leaning people advocating for suppression of speech, more deference to government and defending the rights of massive corporations.

As opposed to what? Have we ever had a period in history where private companies have been ruled by the general public?
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