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to think the common idea that Diana was murdered is absurd

438 replies

makkapacca · 29/01/2022 17:01

Heard a journalist on the radio the other day speculating it was not an accident and heard others saying the same. AIBU to think people like this are complete idiots?

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IcedPurple · 03/02/2022 12:26

[quote Monopolyiscrap]@IcedPurple I am not interested in Kate. But you do like to rewrite history. There have been plenty of controversies around Kate in the past.[/quote]
You're not interested in Kate but you've mentioned her in several of your posts?

OK.

And nobody is going to spend their entire adult life in the pubic eye without a few 'incidents', but if the worst 'controversies' are having your skirt blow up or being papped coming out of a nightclub when you're a student, I don't think Kate has much to worry about.

Monopolyiscrap · 03/02/2022 13:05

@IcedPurple there are far more damning ones than that. But not ones I care to speculate on.

ToffeeNotCoffee · 03/02/2022 18:55

If Charles hadn't made such a big deal out of Camilla's July birthday that year, would Diana have felt the need to, 'reply.'

By cavorting on a millionaire's yacht in Summer. (Yes, I know Diana's birthday is also in July.)

mahoncash · 03/02/2022 20:10

As for pp saying they are unsure if the body guard was wearing a belt, his biography stated he was wearing one

I recall reading forums online in which he people said he contradicted himself in interviews, his book and the enquiries so hard to know. In the pic of him leaving you can't see a belt on him.

mahoncash · 03/02/2022 20:13

But how do you think she was going to maintain a life of philanthropy? She was used to a pretty high standard of living and seemed to quite enjoy the red carpet events. How do you think she could have funded a life of 'good deeds' indefinitely

she was paid off 17 million in the settlement I believe but also she was getting 400k a year for life so she easily could have done good deeds with wealth like that. I am not talking millions but 100k a year would have made a big difference and not hit her.

wanttomarryamillionaire · 03/02/2022 21:02

@mahoncash I think the reason that there is a misunderstanding over the bodyguard wearing a seatbelt is because he was the only one who shouldn't have been wearing one. Anyone who has done any kind of training in this area will know that the bodyguard needs to be able to exit the car quickly in a dangerous situation for example an attempted kidnapping, training at the time would have required him not to wear a belt. There was lots of speculation as to why he was actually wearing it, this gave rise to many conspiracy theories. As far as I recall he wasn't wearing it at first but then put it on due to the drivers erratic driving, this is what saved his life.

mahoncash · 03/02/2022 21:47

Anyone who has done any kind of training in this area will know that the bodyguard needs to be able to exit the car quickly in a dangerous situation for example an attempted kidnapping, training at the time would have required him not to wear a belt

I think the problem though was that Trevor Reese Jones wasn't trained nor were the security team adequately experienced or prepped to cover such a high profile person like Diana. Even Diane's former body guard publicly blasted them for their incompetence saying they had her in their care for 8 weeks and she was dead.

Jones was an ex soldier and a bit of muscle, he was completely out of his depth. Jones as a security guard should have checked they had their belts on and the fact that he ''didn't notice'' the driver was pissed is both questionable and again shows the man was out of his depth, and the driver was a bloody moron.
Having said that, Diana herself was as much to blame as she didn't have a belt on herself.

mahoncash · 03/02/2022 21:52

No-one particularly cared about Fergie's money troubles, for instance

yea but Fergie was nowhere near as publicised/high profile as Diana so I don't think they cared.

wanttomarryamillionaire · 03/02/2022 22:16

@mahoncash That's not true. He was ex military and very well trained as was the other body guard assigned to them. The problem was they were employed by the al fayed family, so they had to do whatever they were told ie. Change routes etc at the drop of a hat. The Royal families police protection is employed by the government not the royals themselves so therefore will only take their orders from their superiors or the government. Both bodyguards had complained to mr al fayed senior that they were struggling to provide proper protection to his son and the princess due to their behaviour and the ever constant changing itineraries but were both ignored. A bodyguard can no more force a VIP to wear their seatbelt than you or i can.

wanttomarryamillionaire · 03/02/2022 22:20

@mahoncash Also no one in that party noticed that the Driver who wasn't even supposed to be on duty that night had had a drink, it wasn't just the bodyguard who didn't notice. In fact if you watch videos of them in the lift or leaving the hotel he doesn't look remotely drunk. As a pp stated if someone is an alcoholic ( Henri Paul was on medication for this) then they can quite often drink a lot before anyone notices they are drunk.

mahoncash · 03/02/2022 22:31

He was ex military and very well trained as was the other body guard assigned to them. The problem was they were employed by the al fayed family, so they had to do whatever they were told

but military doesn't equate to being a bodyguard to a high profile person-they are 2 very different jobs. He didn't make her put her belt on is a major red flag.

hookiewookie29 · 03/02/2022 22:37

She died because she got in a car with a driver who was off his face on drink and drugs, she wasn't wearing a seatbelt- nor was Dodi- who lost control of a speeding car.

IcedPurple · 03/02/2022 22:54

[quote wanttomarryamillionaire]@mahoncash Also no one in that party noticed that the Driver who wasn't even supposed to be on duty that night had had a drink, it wasn't just the bodyguard who didn't notice. In fact if you watch videos of them in the lift or leaving the hotel he doesn't look remotely drunk. As a pp stated if someone is an alcoholic ( Henri Paul was on medication for this) then they can quite often drink a lot before anyone notices they are drunk. [/quote]
Henri Paul wasn't even a professional driver. He was a security officer at The Ritz.

mahoncash · 03/02/2022 22:57

Henri Paul wasn't even a professional driver. He was a security officer at The Ritz

and I think that was why she was killed really-because none of them in that team were professional yet people are too busy blaming the latest conspiracy to see the facts.

Didioverstep · 03/02/2022 23:00

My dh thinks it was a murder. He also loves a conspiracy theory though. I just humour it any more because I can't be arsed.

megletthesecond · 03/02/2022 23:04

I very much doubt The Queen gave a sigh of relief. Her grandsons mother was dead.

mahoncash · 03/02/2022 23:07

I very much doubt The Queen gave a sigh of relief. Her grandsons mother was dead

Meh I have a sister I hate, she's a mother and child to my parents. Would I want her dead? No for that reason.

Would I see some relief in her death at the same time after all the damage she did to my life? By all means yes for my own selfish reasons I would give an inner sigh of relief and I wouldn't grieve an inch of her.

mahoncash · 03/02/2022 23:13

In other words, we all have our own selfish desires at the end of the day no matter how much we may put others 1st. If something benefits ourselves even at the expense of others we will still find relief at some level. It's called survival.

wanttomarryamillionaire · 03/02/2022 23:14

The security were highly trained professionals who knew the whole thing was getting out of control, they reported this situation to their employer who did absolutely nothing about it. That is why he encouraged all these rumours about murder by the British establishment. It was a tragic accident caused by a drunk man and an arrogant man unwilling to override his sons wishes. As for it being a major red flag that TRJ didn't " make" Diana or Dodi wear seatbelts, well if you think that's possible you clearly have never worked with VIPs. I would love to see the reaction if a close protection officer/ body guard tried to make the queen or any other member of the royal family do anything. It simply doesn't happen. They can ask a VIP to put a belt on but there's absolutely nothing they can do if they refuse!

Monopolyiscrap · 03/02/2022 23:21

The Queen was photographed in a car I think about a month after Diana died, not wearing a seat belt.

Monopolyiscrap · 03/02/2022 23:23

@mahoncash

No-one particularly cared about Fergie's money troubles, for instance

yea but Fergie was nowhere near as publicised/high profile as Diana so I don't think they cared.

Fergie was slated in the press for how she made money.
mahoncash · 03/02/2022 23:35

Fergie was slated in the press for how she made money

I didn't say she was never in the press, she was. But her star power, popularity and influence wasn't anywhere near that of Diana's is my point so hence the Royals weren't overly bothered about her antics.

Monopolyiscrap · 03/02/2022 23:45

Philip was said to be incandescent with rage at Fergies antics and banned her from Royal Family events.

DePfeffoff · 03/02/2022 23:50

@Monopolyiscrap

Her face sold lots of newspapers and magazines. Popularity is not the same as thinking someone is a saint. People were interested in her. Most people admired some things she did, but also could see her flaws. Not that long ago before her death, there had been a public auction of some of her dresses for charity, which were sold for huge amounts. The Royal Family did not like how popular she was.
But there again, being interested in someone doesn't mean that person is popular. Unless you took a poll, I just don't see how you can claim "most people" admired her. I remember someone commenting on the dresses sale that they were all paid for by other people in the first place so the entire charity gesture was carried out at no personal cost to Diana whatsoever.