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What about... Still enjoying Boris' downfall Part 4. The one with the report released?

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jgw1 · 28/01/2022 17:14

Part 4

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/01/2022 22:08

It is claimed that the pink (STRAP) papers were left lying around and spilling out of Johnson's red box

Reminds me of Edward VIII ...

22itsallnew · 29/01/2022 22:39

Will we go full circle back to the chatty rat??

DePfeffoff · 29/01/2022 23:22

@Florianus

DePfeffoff: You keep saying that, but when the person who is responsible for the rules being made

You keep saying thatm but it only goes to show that you do not understand the British constitution. The rules were made by Cabinet - they have collective responsibility for all decisions.

So you admit he's responsible, @Florianus. At last. Unless you want to say he isn't part of the cabinet?
DePfeffoff · 29/01/2022 23:30

It can be £10,000 for serious contravention of the rules - e.g. holding a party for 200 people, or trying to interfere with the police issuing fines or dispersing people.

I wonder whether a court might take the view that an offence carried out by someone responsible for putting the rules in place who should be setting an example should carry a higher fine?

mjf981 · 30/01/2022 00:46

I'm shocked they're still dragging out the release of this report. Are they hoping the public will just move on and forget about it?!

Binkybix · 30/01/2022 00:59

It's basic A-level politics. All ministers have an equal say in policy decisions, including the PM but the PM does not get any sort of "casting vote" (whatever that may mean)

I feel like you are asserting lots of things on the basis of no real knowledge of the CS or number 10. Some time with a few arms lengths bodies way back when only.

Do you remember in science class they would start every explanation with ‘this isn’t really the whole truth, but it’ll do for now.’ Well. I had to break it to you about your Politics A level, but…..

Binkybix · 30/01/2022 01:00

STRAP papers, if true, is shocking.

Hawkins001 · 30/01/2022 01:39

Boris may not be prefect, but who has analysed the other potential replacements and can give an educated analyses as to weather they would make a good pm, ?

Roussette · 30/01/2022 01:44

There are no potential replacements apart from Tom Tugendhat....not that I know of anyway??!

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jgw1 · 30/01/2022 06:31

@Binkybix

It's basic A-level politics. All ministers have an equal say in policy decisions, including the PM but the PM does not get any sort of "casting vote" (whatever that may mean)

I feel like you are asserting lots of things on the basis of no real knowledge of the CS or number 10. Some time with a few arms lengths bodies way back when only.

Do you remember in science class they would start every explanation with ‘this isn’t really the whole truth, but it’ll do for now.’ Well. I had to break it to you about your Politics A level, but…..

My experience of quangos especially those higher up in them is that they do a lot of asserting of things on the basis of no real knowledge, see for example a whole series of Heads of Ofsted.
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Florianus · 30/01/2022 07:31

22itsallnew:
I felt the same frustration over Cummings remaining in No 10 after he torpedoed the public health messaging by travelling the country when ill, visiting a hospital in the NE (when Covid hadn't established there yet) and coming up with the cock and bull eyesight trip. Then Johnson said of course that was all 'reasonable'!

And, don't forget, the police investigated and concluded that Mr Cummings might have committed a "minor breach" of lockdown rules - but not one which warranted any action, not even the issue of a fixed penalty notice.

I wonder if their investigation into partygate will prove any more exciting.

Florianus · 30/01/2022 07:39

@DePfeffoff

It can be £10,000 for serious contravention of the rules - e.g. holding a party for 200 people, or trying to interfere with the police issuing fines or dispersing people.

I wonder whether a court might take the view that an offence carried out by someone responsible for putting the rules in place who should be setting an example should carry a higher fine?

I wonder if you understand what is meant by a fixed penalty fine?

The penalties are fixed to a published tariff (which someone posted here) in order to stop policemen (who issue the fines - courts do not) making demands based on personal prejudice.

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jgw1 · 30/01/2022 07:43

The penalties are fixed to a published tariff (which someone posted here) in order to stop policemen (who issue the fines - courts do not) making demands based on personal prejudice.I

Are all parking fines in Bradford £17000 or is that just outside hair dressers? What about barbers?

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Florianus · 30/01/2022 07:44

@Binkybix

It's basic A-level politics. All ministers have an equal say in policy decisions, including the PM but the PM does not get any sort of "casting vote" (whatever that may mean)

I feel like you are asserting lots of things on the basis of no real knowledge of the CS or number 10. Some time with a few arms lengths bodies way back when only.

Do you remember in science class they would start every explanation with ‘this isn’t really the whole truth, but it’ll do for now.’ Well. I had to break it to you about your Politics A level, but…..

I said "It's basic A-level politics" because what I wrote comes directly from the current A-level Politics syllabus (I checked before writing it).. If you think you know better, you should write to the A-level Awarding Bodies to tell them they are peddling fake information to students.
Florianus · 30/01/2022 07:46

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Zonder · 30/01/2022 07:54

I wonder if you understand what is meant by a fixed penalty fine?
Oh dear.
The point is that you could have a fixed penalty fine for something but if there's an extra level to the misdemeanor you could have a higher fixed penalty.
A bit like it could be £60 fixed penalty for parking in a particular spot. Then £100 fixed penalty for parking in that spot and not paying within a week. This happens where I live. And then it could be a fixed penalty of £17000 for parking outside a hairdressers 😆

Likewise it could be £1000 for breaking a LD rule and £10000 for breaking a LD rule that you wrote.

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jgw1 · 30/01/2022 08:01

TIME WASTER ALERT!
If you have nothing sensible to say, what is the point in your posting?

@Florianus This is a very good point, and I am sure I am not the only poster to have been wondering that throughout these threads.

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jgw1 · 30/01/2022 08:05

I said "It's basic A-level politics" because what I wrote comes directly from the current A-level Politics syllabus (I checked before writing it).. If you think you know better, you should write to the A-level Awarding Bodies to tell them they are peddling fake information to students.

I am sure that every Chemistry teacher in the country writes to the awarding bodies each year to object to teaching about shells and orbitals because it is also fake information. Quantum mechanics, Schrodinger's equation and the associated maths should be tested in GCSE Chemistry.

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merrymouse · 30/01/2022 08:07

The important question is not whether Boris Johnson should pay a fine, but whether he has the character and ability to be PM.

Johnson himself has already been sacked from a number of jobs for dishonesty, without being accused of a criminal offence.

Alexandra2001 · 30/01/2022 08:07

@Florianus They weren't fixed penalty though were they? they kept doubling (up to £6400) for each new offence a person committed... so in Boris's case, he may get more than just a single fine.

Don't recall parking being dealt in the same way.

Anyhow, its all gone away now, UK to send extra forces to Eastern Europe, trips abroad, more photo op's in front of maps (in which he looks even more gormless) - they'll be no fines and no meaningful report or Police action.

I see BJ is saying HE is "ordering extra military to Estonia" so not just the messenger

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jgw1 · 30/01/2022 08:09

[quote Alexandra2001]@Florianus They weren't fixed penalty though were they? they kept doubling (up to £6400) for each new offence a person committed... so in Boris's case, he may get more than just a single fine.

Don't recall parking being dealt in the same way.

Anyhow, its all gone away now, UK to send extra forces to Eastern Europe, trips abroad, more photo op's in front of maps (in which he looks even more gormless) - they'll be no fines and no meaningful report or Police action.

I see BJ is saying HE is "ordering extra military to Estonia" so not just the messenger[/quote]
Boris also successfully vaccinated everyone in the country so he wasn't just the messenger there, but the biomedical scientists who made the vaccine, the logisticians who distributed it, the health care professionals who jabbed people and so on.

The man is a talent.

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Florianus · 30/01/2022 08:16

Zonder:
Likewise it could be £1000 for breaking a LD rule and £10000 for breaking a LD rule that you wrote.

Or you could change the rate of fine according to the colour of the offender's skin, or their gender or any other prejudice that you might have.

Any more wild wonderings?

WanJames · 30/01/2022 08:17

@ClaudineClare

I bet Johnson is out of the country when the redacted report is finally published. He will be in a fridge in Ukraine.
🤣
longwayoff · 30/01/2022 08:19

And now he's off to E Europe ffs. Who knows what he'll agree to? He will say anything to get him out of an uncomfortable situation 'Need some Brit army help in your small country? Of course, sending them tomorrow'. He appears to be a danger to the security of this nation. Is everyone in Whitehall on drugs? Madness.

merrymouse · 30/01/2022 08:21

Boris also successfully vaccinated everyone in the country so he wasn't just the messenger there, but the biomedical scientists who made the vaccine, the logisticians who distributed it, the health care professionals who jabbed people and so on.

It was a real shock when he was there by himself at the vaccination centre with his little kit, but he said “no, I can’t be in charge if somebody else is doing the work! I can’t be fussed with all those rules though - how many metres is it now? Somebody else is sorting that out, not sure who”