To be concerned about the rise of antisemitism in the UK?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10447069/Terrifying-moment-Jewish-shop-owners-suffer-random-anti-Semitic-attack-London-street.html

Sorry that this is a daily mail article, but such events are common, but rarely reported on.

Antisemitism has increased at a worrying rate recently, and there seems to be little concern about this.

An example of antisemitism being tolerated, is that when footage of the above crime was posted to a local group on social media, some were saying that these men may have deserved the assault, and unpleasant comments made about Jews.

@Twentypast

www.google.com/amp/s/nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/article/marjorie-taylor-greene-qanon-wildfires-space-laser-rothschild-execute.html

Not the most unbiased article but it’s hard to achieve that with MTG

@Sashimimimi

Really? Do you think that it should not be mentioned that other groups of people were killed as well in the Holocaust? Why is that?

That isn’t what I said. Don’t put words into my mouth. It’s common knowledge that the nazis murdered anyone they didn’t class as aryan and physically or mentally healthy. And of course all of those victims deserve to be acknowledged and remembered.

But the word “holocaust” refers specifically to the genocide of Europe’s Jews. The industrialised mass murder of millions of Jewish people. The Jewish population of Europe was virtually eradicated.

That’s what Holocaust Memorial Day is intended to commemorate. The destruction of millions of people, of the entire world of Ashkenazi Jewish Europe.

The guardian article complains about the ‘marginalisation’ of other victims of the Nazis, on Holocaust Memorial Day. This comes across as seeking to minimise the fact that the Holocaust was the genocide of the Jewish people.

It's been pretty explicitly said on British media today that Holocaust Memorial Day is to commemorate the victims of all genocides everywhere

I understand why you think it shouldn't be, I really do, but the Guardian isn't to blame. There's nothing wrong with remembering the people who died alongside Jews under the same horrific circumstances.

[quote ElectraBlue]@CaptainMarvelDanvers' 'People, especially in the Labour part and on the “left”, are in denial that it’s on the rise.''

Generalise much? I am a London 'leftie' and I can clearly see that antisemitism is increasing and it is completely unacceptable.

I think hate-crimes and intolerance have risen in general and if you really want to be political you have people like Farage and his right-wing, Brexit-loving, ,minority-hating lot to thank for that...[/quote]
Maybe I should have put the word “some”.

I was a Labour member, I even voted for Corbyn to be Labour leader...Twice 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

But he is also the reason I ultimately left the Labour Party.

Maybe I should have put the word “some”.

Don't worry, we're used to gross generalisations. The fact that we ended up with the most fascist government since the war is completely lost on you.

I will light a candle too

It’s not just on the far left or the far right, though. You hear it casually as well. I remember a man and his son, both devout Baptists telling me that ‘those people brought it on themselves’ because they were responsible for the death of Jesus. Pointing out to them that Jesus himself was Jewish didn’t seem to deter their bigotry.

@RunningInTheWind

Stand by for the “I’m not anti Semitic- I just hate Israel” ad nauseum.

I’m Jewish too and agree, it’s the last form of acceptable racism. “Because Israel”.

Yes. It's so one sided anyway.

IMO the Holocaust is being diluted. Of course there were other victims but this is primarily about the decimation of 6 million Jews.

@onlychildhamster
@EdithStourton if you were invited to my wedding at the synagogue, you would have been asked to bring your passport!
@Twentypast
When we got married the synagogue asked if we wanted to use their security or if we'd hire our own. I didn't think twice about this - I'm used to walking past security to get into the synagogue but my non Jewish friends were horrified it was even a conversation.
It boggles me completely. I went to several Jewish engagement parties and weddings after uni and never once was I asked for ID nor were there security guards. This was c1990.

to you both for the shittiness of the current situation.

To be fair to the guardian, that article linked above was an opinion piece written by the chief exec and the senior communications officer at the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust (it says at the end of the article). Not massively unreasonable people to have write an opinion piece on the topic

Yes I remember so called Christians being anti semitic. ... because the Jews crucified Jesus but imo any group of people would have behaved in the same way at that time and it was Pontious Pilate who had the last say on it anyway

I understand why you think it shouldn't be, I really do, but the Guardian isn't to blame. There's nothing wrong with remembering the people who died alongside Jews under the same horrific circumstances.

Fair enough 🤷‍♀️ I think it’s breathtakingly anti semitic of the guardian to claim that other victims of the Nazis have been marginalised by the focus on Jews.

I will also add that the British Jewish population is around 0.5%. It’s grotesque and downright creepy to hound the community with antisemitism; whether it’s “free Palestine” taunts in Jewish areas or old fashioned Christian rooted bigotry. The community is TINY and we need to protect our Jews.

I will put a small torchlight in window tonight as cannot find any matches.

if you really want to be political you have people like Farage and his right-wing, Brexit-loving, ,minority-hating lot to thank for that...
I mentioned upthread that our local Labour candidate at the last election told me he'd been quizzed on many doorsteps about Labour antisemitism. And I live in a strongly Tory-voting and Brexit-supporting constituency.

So I don't think its as simple as 'hate crimes increase because Nigel...' (and I'm not a fan of Nige, and I don't vote Tory).

YANBU - this is shocking and sad! I’m disgusted this is happening in my country in 2022! Where is the outrage??? Where is the media coverage??? Where is the justice???
The Left have shown their true colours with antisemitism and would rather concern themselves with gender identification.

‘ I’m Jewish too and agree, it’s the last form of acceptable racism. “Because Israel”. hmm’

Some People are antisemitic because they’re are racist bigots. It’s got nothing to do with Israel.
It is possible to disagree with the actions of the Israeli government and the sympathise with the suffering of Palestinian people while not being in the least bit anti-Semitic.

I just watched the footage of the two elderly men being attacked in London. Awful to see. Attacks seem to be on the rise, but not well publicized.

Who the f is voting that a rise in antisemitism isn’t worrying?? 13% FFS.

@SickAndTiredAgain

To be fair to the guardian, that article linked above was an opinion piece written by the chief exec and the senior communications officer at the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust (it says at the end of the article). Not massively unreasonable people to have write an opinion piece on the topic

I thought the article in the Guardian was fine. In France, and maybe elsewhere, the Jewish holocaust is referred to as the Shoah, to distinguish it from other - usually smaller scale - genocides . I agree that this distinction should be made.

@Sashimimimi

Really? Do you think that it should not be mentioned that other groups of people were killed as well in the Holocaust? Why is that?

That isn’t what I said. Don’t put words into my mouth. It’s common knowledge that the nazis murdered anyone they didn’t class as aryan and physically or mentally healthy. And of course all of those victims deserve to be acknowledged and remembered.

But the word “holocaust” refers specifically to the genocide of Europe’s Jews. The industrialised mass murder of millions of Jewish people. The Jewish population of Europe was virtually eradicated.

That’s what Holocaust Memorial Day is intended to commemorate. The destruction of millions of people, of the entire world of Ashkenazi Jewish Europe.

The guardian article complains about the ‘marginalisation’ of other victims of the Nazis, on Holocaust Memorial Day. This comes across as seeking to minimise the fact that the Holocaust was the genocide of the Jewish people.

I was not trying to put words into your mouth at all. I was asking a question.

This is just horrible, I can’t understand why anyone would even feel that way, let alone act like that.

@Isaw3ships

Who the f is voting that a rise in antisemitism isn’t worrying?? 13% FFS.

Antisemites.

I am shocked in the rise in this. I just don’t understand what’s happened to cause such an increase in this particular hate crime. It’s just horrendous.

I do think we need to teach more about the holocaust at a younger age in schools. Leaving it until 13 plus which is what they seem to do now - if at all- just isn’t good enough.

Really? Do you think that it should not be mentioned that other groups of people were killed as well in the Holocaust? Why is that?

Because 'The Holocaust' refers specifically to the genocide of European Jews.

Many other groups were also targeting by the wider Nazi persecution, and no-one is disputing that, but to talk of The Holocaust is to talk about six million Jews.

I've noticed last year, and this year, that more and more individuals and and organisations post messages about The Holocaust on HMD, without specifically mentioning Jews. We are being erased from our own genocide.