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To be concerned about the rise of antisemitism in the UK?

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hibbledibble · 27/01/2022 16:17

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10447069/Terrifying-moment-Jewish-shop-owners-suffer-random-anti-Semitic-attack-London-street.html

Sorry that this is a daily mail article, but such events are common, but rarely reported on.

Antisemitism has increased at a worrying rate recently, and there seems to be little concern about this.

An example of antisemitism being tolerated, is that when footage of the above crime was posted to a local group on social media, some were saying that these men may have deserved the assault, and unpleasant comments made about Jews.

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hibbledibble · 29/01/2022 14:52

@FeedMeSantiago

We were taught about the Holocaust in Y5, in 1998 so I was 9 at the time. We saw pictures of the camps and learned about Anne Frank's diary and read 'When Hitler Stole Pink Rabbit' by the wonderful Judith Kerr. The school also arranged for a holocaust survivor to come into school and talk to us about his experiences. He asked us to remember how we met him and to tell people about it as he was handing the baton to us to become witnesses of the witnesses as the time would come in our lifetimes when there weren't any survivors left.

It was profoundly moving and I have never forgotten that experience. I have also had the privilege to meet two other survivors through work events.

I have had the misfortune to meet 3 holocaust deniers/minimisers. Horrifyingly the youngest two are in the same school year as me so 33/34. They are the type who say 'it's not anti-semitic to criticise Israel's policy of X' but then immediately follow that statement with anti semitic comments/statements minimising the holocaust.

Everyone should be taught about the holocaust. The rise of antisemitism worries me deeply.

Unfortunately, my children did not know it was Holocaust memorial Day last week. My eldest, in year 6, had not been taught about it at all in school, at any point. She only knows from her own reading, and our family discussions. Sadly many children aren't currently being educated.
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EdithStourton · 29/01/2022 17:39

For anyone interested, there are a couple of very good discussions on the topic of antisemitism on Bari Weiss's Honestly podcast (you can find it on Spotify):
'Why People Love Dead Jews' and
'An Imam Blows the Whistle on Muslim Antisemitism'

Balaboostah · 30/01/2022 09:05

Part of the antisemitism is the CONSTANT reference to the holocaust and use of holocaust analogies and terminology to decribe the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Israelis/Jews and Palestinians have been doing a lot of shitty things to one another for the best part of a century now (and, yes, Israel does have the upper hand now and bears more responsibility and is responsible for more abuses) but it has not ever reached the point of or even come close to the holocaust. There is so much else which it could be compared to but, no, always the Holocaust.
So, it's Israel is committing genocide (so, hey, maybe you jews shouldn't bleat on about own genocide since you're dong the same)
Or, Gaza is the same as the Warsaw Ghetto. Where the Nazis would send off transports of Jews to death camps, intentionally starved the population with children starving in the street, used slave labour, intnetionally allowed disease to spread etc. Gaza is bad, don't get me wrong, but it's not the horror of the Warsaw Ghetto. But, no, constant reference to the Warsaw Ghetto.
Or some weird expectation that 'Israelis should know better than to do what they're doing to Palestinians' as though genocide is expected to make you nicer (rather than perhaps an understanding that genocide is not character building and, actually, common trauma means you might not be so tolerant of someone threatening your life)
Or the 'zionazis' you seen thrown about.
Or the catoons in the papers depicting Israeli solides as Nazis.

It's continuous. And it didn't happen to the Burmese with the Rohingya genoice. It didn't happen to China. It didn't happen to Russia. Only Israel gets the constant holocaust/nazi analogies. Why? Antisemitism. Pure and simple.

So for those who say 'Oh, I've never seen antisemitism in the UK' just look at posts on mumsnet when things flare up in Israel/Palestine. You'll see it there.

Balaboostah · 30/01/2022 09:18

Here's an example from a 2 second search on mumsnet

So, apparently, Jewish votes = money and power. And so many powerful Jewish peole who (apparently) conspire together to prevent any action against Israeli.

No one reported this comment. No one flagged it as anti semitic.

To be concerned about the rise of antisemitism in the UK?
Balaboostah · 30/01/2022 09:25

Another example.

So Gaza echoes what happened to Jews in the ghettos of Warsaw.

And the handwringing that people who have (only attempted - not actual) genocide committed against them should 'do it to others'

Again, drips with antisemitism but no one cares to point it out.

It's perfectly feasible and possible to cricize Israel for human righs abuses without constantly referencing the Holocaust, just like seems to be done for nearly every other conflict situation in the world.

To be concerned about the rise of antisemitism in the UK?
woodhill · 30/01/2022 11:49

@Balaboostah

Part of the antisemitism is the CONSTANT reference to the holocaust and use of holocaust analogies and terminology to decribe the Israel-Palestine conflict. Israelis/Jews and Palestinians have been doing a lot of shitty things to one another for the best part of a century now (and, yes, Israel does have the upper hand now and bears more responsibility and is responsible for more abuses) but it has not ever reached the point of or even come close to the holocaust. There is so much else which it could be compared to but, no, always the Holocaust. So, it's Israel is committing genocide (so, hey, maybe you jews shouldn't bleat on about own genocide since you're dong the same) Or, Gaza is the same as the Warsaw Ghetto. Where the Nazis would send off transports of Jews to death camps, intentionally starved the population with children starving in the street, used slave labour, intnetionally allowed disease to spread etc. Gaza is bad, don't get me wrong, but it's not the horror of the Warsaw Ghetto. But, no, constant reference to the Warsaw Ghetto. Or some weird expectation that 'Israelis should know better than to do what they're doing to Palestinians' as though genocide is expected to make you nicer (rather than perhaps an understanding that genocide is not character building and, actually, common trauma means you might not be so tolerant of someone threatening your life) Or the 'zionazis' you seen thrown about. Or the catoons in the papers depicting Israeli solides as Nazis.

It's continuous. And it didn't happen to the Burmese with the Rohingya genoice. It didn't happen to China. It didn't happen to Russia. Only Israel gets the constant holocaust/nazi analogies. Why? Antisemitism. Pure and simple.

So for those who say 'Oh, I've never seen antisemitism in the UK' just look at posts on mumsnet when things flare up in Israel/Palestine. You'll see it there.

Yes, it's nothing like the Holocaust and the Palestinians have allies and have to bear some responsibility as well
ScribblingPixie · 30/01/2022 15:23

Another red flag for antisemitism is people who bang on and on, endlessly on, about 'human rights abuses' in Israel but never criticise other countries eg the terrible abuse of Muslims in China, Israel's neighbours in the Middle East. I had a friend who did this, and eventually I told him that he needed to ask himself why and if the answer could be antisemitism - to his credit he took it on board and changed his attitude.

hibbledibble · 30/01/2022 19:28

Scribbling I agree the anti Israel sentiment is often routed in antisemitism. There are many conflicts around the world, and human rights abuses, that people choose to ignore.

The recent conflict was also used to justify acts of anti semitism in the UK as well.

I hate even mentioning Israel for this reason, as this should not happen. Antisemitism is never accept.

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StridTheKiller · 14/05/2024 19:17

YADNBU.

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