To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 3 Cake ambush

[Notonthestairs]

To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 2 http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4459992-To-be-really-enjoying-Boris-Johnsons-downfall-Part-2

And on it goes.

[quote JaniieJones]'Tory bots not around today so far. Maybe their paymasters have been arrested and not able to give out instructions'

Would you like some more from me

jgw1:
What puzzles me is why some posters seem intent on suggesting that nothing much happened and if something did happen one compared it to parking on a yellow line

As was explained pretty clearly, the fine for breaking a covid regulation is less than that for parking on a yellow line.

Oh dear, I definitely missed the 'overboard' bit! Although I well remember how Maxwell met his demise, and I found it hard to shed any tears for him.

Back to the subject of the thread:

We can but wait to hear which of the refreshment sessions broke rules.

Lulu Lytle and Carrie Johnson's presence in the Cabinet Office, unless you can tell us what Government or Civil Service position they hold which would entitle them to be there. As far as I am aware the answer is 'none'.

@Florianus

jgw1: What puzzles me is why some posters seem intent on suggesting that nothing much happened and if something did happen one compared it to parking on a yellow line

As was explained pretty clearly, the fine for breaking a covid regulation is less than that for parking on a yellow line.

@Florianus Where can I park that I would be fined £10,000? I need to make sure I avoid going there.

Also if you have parked for less than 25minutes are you not really parked at all?

ClaudineClare
Like so many, I was angry to hear stories of those in Number 10, who are responsible for setting the coronavirus rules, not properly following the rules.

The overwhelming majority of alleged partygoers did not set the coronavirus rules. Not unless parliament has replaced MPs with Civil Servants, anyway.

'Lulu Lytle and Carrie Johnson's presence in the Cabinet Office, unless you can tell us what Government or Civil Service position they hold which would entitle them to be there'

But as has been said she was working on the flat maybe she needed to discuss something with BJ. Totally plausible.

It all depends on how definitions of parties are applied. As I've said numerous times people eating together or drinking does not equal a party, if it does I've been to one earlier and I really haven't.

You are trying to split hairs Florianus: "Number10" is used as a shorthand for "the Prime Minister".

@Florianus Where can I park that I would be fined £10,000?

How many people have been fined £10,000 for a covid offence?

But as has been said she was working on the flat maybe she needed to discuss something with BJ. Totally plausible.

Such a coincidence that it happened to be at the exact moment he was ambushed by cake.

But as has been said she was working on the flat maybe she needed to discuss something with BJ. Totally plausible.

Nonsense. The Cabinet room is not where the Johnson's live. I can't believe that they don't have internal telephones or someone who could have acted as a messenger inside the complex. Someone could have called Johnson or fetched him if it was that important for Lulu Lytle to speak to him.

I worked have worked in Government buildings which have been partly open to the Public and we didn't let the Public into the non - public parts. We would go down to see someone if they needed to talk to us, or take them to an interview room if the matter was confidential.

@Florianus

ClaudineClare Like so many, I was angry to hear stories of those in Number 10, who are responsible for setting the coronavirus rules, not properly following the rules.

The overwhelming majority of alleged partygoers did not set the coronavirus rules. Not unless parliament has replaced MPs with Civil Servants, anyway.

I think it is quite clear that Theresa May's words are aimed at Call-me-Churchill, not the civil servants! But she is just an ex-PM, so probably doesn't understand the intricacies of it all in the way some on this thread do.

@Peregrina

Our Johnson bots are really having trouble with their arguments today. The phrase, "when you are in a hole, stop digging" comes to mind.

Why call us bots, it's all do childish and unpleasant isn't it. I've no need to stop digging as I stand by everything I've said.

My opinion is different to yours, that is fine we live in a free country where different opinions are allowed.

I bet this will all be a damp squib anyway when findings are released.

The overwhelming majority of alleged partygoers did not set the coronavirus rules

Not the point. At least some of those who did set the rules were there. That’s the problem.

@AdamRyan

Oh yes, I forgot to add how the flat renovations were paid for to my list of "things the police know"

The olive aren’t investigating that though. They are looking specifically about who organised the office parties, and Boris will convince some poor junior civil servant to take the blame and deny any responsibility himself.

They have been about a million things over the past three years than any other pm would have resigned for - proroguing parliament is the obvious one, the flat redecoration, Priti Patel’s bullying, trying to get Owen Patterson off, etc etc.

If you think he’ll resign over this you are either naive or incredibly optimistic. He’s managed to get the Gray report redacted, the Met investigation will focus on blaming the civil servants, and by the time the full Gray report is released, if ever, he’ll say it’s old news and we should focus on whatever other disaster he has brought upon the country by then.

The only way he will go is if the Tories get rid of him.

I know people who were having building work done when we went into lockdown who lived without kitchens for months, cooking on gas stoves. What could possibly have been so urgent about redecorating number 10 that it had to be done right then?

We were planning to have building work done. All signed off in Feb 2020 but couldn't start until the first week of August. Fortunately we weren't without a kitchen or bathroom.

But yes, that Lulu Lytle just had to be present at a party in the Cabinet office because she needed to speak to Johnson is balderdash.

She was probably seeking a signature to guarantee payment. Wisely, I would guess.

I bet this will all be a damp squib anyway when findings are released

Quite possibly, it is not a magnificently insightful prediction given that the perpetrators are essentially investigating themselves and their own.

At this point it’s almost irrelevant given the damage this cabinet has done to public trust. Which is why BJ needs to go, he literally cannot fix this with anything short of completely clearing out his entire cabinet and revisiting various appointments he and his cabinet have been associated with. A complete fresh start. I’m not even sure that would be enough to win back the trust of some quarters.

We’ve become the kind of country we only used to read about in the news. Our government is rotten at the core.

@Peregrina

You are trying to split hairs Florianus: "Number10" is used as a shorthand for "the Prime Minister".

As I have pointed out many times, the rules were set by cabinet and the laws by parliament.

My Tory friend - yes, I know, it constantly astonishes both of us too - reckons if Johnson is still in Downing St the local elections will be a blood bath for them. She wants him out as much as I do.

'We’ve become the kind of country we only used to read about in the news'

Oh we haven't.

We've become the kind of country with a media that are a laughing stock. These allegations needed thorough investigations but the media hype has just been utterly ridiculous.

@borntobequiet

The overwhelming majority of alleged partygoers did not set the coronavirus rules

Not the point. At least some of those who did set the rules were there. That’s the problem.

Which members of cabinet were there (apart from the PM) ?