Presence of evil

[beachcitygirl]

Aibu to ask if you've ever felt yourself in the presence of evil. Following on from
The intuitiion thread.

I once met a friend of my ex in a coffee shop. The man was nothing but civil & friendly. Soft spoken & was an ex police officer. My then husband was there also.
I went to the loo & spent ages as something about him made me feel afraid. I stress it was just a feeling. Zero untoward behaviour.
Many years later he was arrested & found guilty of violent rape.

Has anyone else ever sensed evil? (For want of a better word)

@expat101

We have a young adult in the greater family unit and when she was a baby, her grand stepmother (from mixed culture gene pool) said that baby had been born with evil in her, and that ''you can see it in her eyes''.

I thought it was the GSM being her usual mean self, but down the track, I had a run-in with the toddler child and I have never experienced a child (one who had been raised with good parenting and life rules) be so completely blank and shut down when I asked her what she was doing near a spot in our house where she should never have been.

She wasn't asked rudely or the like, just wouldn't answer nor go downstairs to where the majority of the family were and turned her back on me until her mother turned up.

We no longer live close by, and for that I'm very pleased as I started not to ''take to her'' after a while. One of our adult DC's swears she tried to drown them when they were about 8 in the backyard pool!

As she has got older, she has attempted suicide several times and is under long-term treatment by (one of many) specialists. She has had some really exploratory stuff done to her (at her request) but she still has this other ''thing'' going on. She can be very manipulative to her parents and generally speaking, is ok on medication but then will have some sort of personality/thinking spike and off she will go,

I cannot put into words exactly what it is about her, but something isn't right and the specialists, and she has seen a few, haven't been able to offer up any sort of solution at all.

Her parents are really decent people too, it's really worn them down with Mum not being too well. Limited biological family left on either side.

Gosh I wonder why a child villainised as ‘evil’ AT BIRTH by her own family might have grown up to be sullen/stay upstairs and ignore family/eventually attempt suicide.

Of course something ‘isn’t right’ with her. If you tell a child they’re ‘evil’ and they can sense their own family can’t take to them no fucking wonder they end up severely damaged.

This is exactly why I disagree with the concept of ‘evil.’ What a stupid, selfish, and short sighted woman the grandmother must have been to allow her own silly superstitions to poisson the family against a newborn baby.

@ManicPixie

There are a lot of “place where I knew something bad had happened before felt off somehow” posts on here.

Yeah, with that prior knowledge, no shit!

Exactly. ‘Oh I was at a death camp and I could feel evil.’

Or you were just reflecting on the historical atrocities that you already know happened there and therefore felt appropriately somber.

Agree @Kanaloa. I found that post incredibly sad and infuriating. That poor child being raised to believe she was evil. That amounts to child cruelty.

I know it’s beyond sickening. Reminds me of a programme I saw about people who were persecuting small children as witches, and the children themselves if they were asked would even say ‘yes I think I’m a witch too, I cursed the family/did this evil deed.’

If you turn a whole family against a baby for their ‘evil eyes’ it would be an absolute miracle if they didn’t end up damaged beyond all repair.

The “child witches” documentary is exactly what came to mind with me too! I think it was on Ch4.

@ManicPixie

“ She fixed my very bad back with Shiatsu, after i was told by many medical experts it was untreated without an operation, believed in energy ley lines both in the body and the land.. which is also thought to be mumbo jumbo too..... i had a lot of time for her, she died many years ago.”

A shiatsu is a physical massage though? Not sure what the spiritualism part has to do with it. She didn’t cure you telepathically.

Shiatsu is far more than that, its Acupuncture but without needles and according to her, involves the transfer of energy from the practitioner to the patient.

I was lying there thinking "well, this is waste of 40mins" when she started on my neck, i felt a jolt of, a sort of electrical shock go through to my toes, she sensed it too, told me trapped healing energy had been released.
i went home, had a lie down and woke up 14 hours later, quite incredible, within a few weeks i was running, cycling moving about like i used to before.

Its a bit off topic but i mentioned this because it underlines that there are things on this planet we don't understand nor can explain away with science.

There is a corner of our garden that I can't stand in. We live in a very old converted pub and we share what would have been grazing for the carriage horses with the other people they live in all the converted outbuildings. It's a big area with a little orchard. The orchard bit is the problematic area. I thought I was being silly until my DP came running in one day looking absolutely ashen.He said he just suddenly felt incredibly scared for no reason and had to get out of the garden. My DD experienced the same. And a few of the neighbours, though others find it fine.
They found a young woman's skeleton with a broken neck bricked into our fireplace when the pub was converted in 1971. If I had to guess I would bet she was murdered in the garden! But we'll never know...

@Kanaloa

I know it’s beyond sickening. Reminds me of a programme I saw about people who were persecuting small children as witches, and the children themselves if they were asked would even say ‘yes I think I’m a witch too, I cursed the family/did this evil deed.’

If you turn a whole family against a baby for their ‘evil eyes’ it would be an absolute miracle if they didn’t end up damaged beyond all repair.

Do you not think that what they were doing is an example of an evil act?

@ParkheadParadise

Yes, I have. The Evil bastard who murdered my dd. I hated him from the moment I met him. The next girlfriend after dd he killed her dog and left it on her doorstep. Every Cloud, he died 4 years after he Murdered my beautiful girl. Unfortunately, no one murdered him he died of a drug overdose. I hope every day he rots in hell.

Oh my god I am so sorry 💔

Hopefully he still suffered.

No, I’ve told you exactly what I think it was. I said so in my post. Stupid, selfish, and superstitious. Unfortunately I think it’s easy to influence people with superstition as it can easily unite a family (or even a community) against a common enemy. Suddenly it isn’t the splintered family history or economically suffering country you need to worry about - it’s this one supernaturally ‘evil’ presence that you can blame for all wrong and bash out.

So very wrong, quite dangerous, rather misguided? Yes. Evil? No, because as I’ve explained multiple times I both don’t believe in evil and find it an extremely dangerous over simplification of human behaviour.

it underlines that there are things on this planet we don't understand nor can explain away with science.

Yet.

The concept of evil was created to control people. Through fear.

“ Shiatsu is far more than that, its Acupuncture but without needles and according to her, involves the transfer of energy from the practitioner to the patient.”

All massages involve the transfer of energy!

@Fluffycloudland77

I feel an oppressive force in Somerset. There’s just something that feels heavy about it.

I’m ok driving through it but we stayed overnight once and I did not like it at all.

@Fluffycloudland77 - do you mean all of Somerset? That's a blanket statement.

I've been there many times, aunt moved there a few years ago and DB got married near Wells (Kilver Court). Nothing heavy about it to me.

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry

Unfortunately (hate to derail this thread) - Meghan Markle has always given off a slightly smug vibe - regardless of anything else, her smile to me on the whole has always come across as insincere.

Whereas, e.g. Camilla Parker-Bowles (Duchess of Cornwall?) has always to me, seemed sincere in her manner and smiles, regardless of what she's actually done (e.g. had affair with Prince Charles)

Maybe that’s to do with the fact that Camilla grew up in and was well practised in that world, was very comfortable in it and her ease was apparent- it was her world. whereas Megan markle very much didn’t grow up in that world, nor even the UK and spent her adult years under the Hollywood glare, having to continually earn her place and so developed a “celeb” persona that of course isn’t her natural personality, and doesn’t fit so naturally with the world she then moved into and was clearly not as at ease in as camilla- who grew up in it- was.

Interesting - I have the complete opposite feeling that Camilla is a conniving hypocrite, accustomed to getting whatever she wants (and I would bet my bottom dollar she will get what she wants and be queen consort, despite the agreement to remain princess). Meghan comes across as very likeable and genuine to me, I think the hatred towards her is astonishing.

I believe that both 'good' and 'evil' are chosen acts. A lot of the time upbringing/trauma will play a part in both, but some stuff is much harder to process. One of the most chilling things I've ever read is that when one of Josef Mengele's henchmen at Auschwitz (a doctor, who had been practising openly for decades after the war) was finally picked up, he was asked why they had done the horrific things they did. His answer was "Because we could". It demonstrates the danger of ever taking your eye off the ball and allowing a society that legitimises horrors, because without too much encouragement, some human beings will do terrible things.

As far as suggesting a baby can be inherently evil, I have no words.

I think we can sometimes pick up the potential for bad things to be done by people or happen in places.

We are all 'not somebody's cup of tea' but what we dont expect is when somebody loathes us, is disgusted by us, hates us. Especially if that is on minimal acquaintance. Even if that person tries to hide it we may pick up subconsciously micro gestures or expressions of these extreme feelings. This may give us the feeling that a person is wrong in some way.

A place may give off micro changes in atmosphere. These could simply be that they trigger an atavistic response - be afraid of dark places or places we cant get out from. Equally a place where bodies have been concealed may still be giving off decomposition chemistry. May only be microscopic but that doesnt mean it cant exist. A body is a huge thing to decompose and that decomposition has to go somewhere.

Essentially I think that a 'sense of evil' has the potential to have rational explanation which I think is far more interesting than 'woo'.

I'm a terrible judge of character and am more often wrong than not about a person's character when I meet them for the first time. I also have absolutely no sense of danger. But even I sussed that Saville was a wrong 'un, so that's really no achievement at all!

As a (much more anxious) young woman, I found a lot of places disturbing, but now I just don't. Culloden was fine (but I found the visitor centre extremely dull), lots of other places which other people found creepy never bothered me at all. I know people who I believe are evil (as a part of their personality, not because of some sort of nebulous force), but that is because I've seen the patterns of their behaviour. If I'd been able to instantly know that they weren't wired right, I'd have fewer scars now!

@AliceMcK

A house I use to live in, my bf at the time DF owned it. All the stairs were boarded up apparently the upstairs hadn’t been lived in for years. The dads friend died while working on the house and other things happened. The house was really old, it was part of a row of houses built with a big church facing us that had also been abandoned for years.

Anyway it was definitely haunted, I grew up in old houses and fully believe some are haunted or have presences. So many weird things happened here from unusual feelings, voices being hear, loud bangs, things moving, all experienced by different people at different times, some non believers. We looked after his parents dogs when they went on holiday and they were too scared to go upstairs, they would growl and bark up the stairs all the time. There was what I call a nice spirit that when she was around we could smell coal burning (no coal fire), other people felt her too. One night I was dosing off on the sofa with Patsy Cline on the stereo and I swear I could hear someone singing along to her. She would always be felt in the sitting room. I believe she was the old lady who died in the house before my ex’s dad bought it.

Anyway to the evil, there was definitely something evil in that house, every time I was in the shower I could feel it watching me, by bf felt it too.

At one point we rented the spare room, the one we heard noises come from to my bfs cousin. Within a week there was black mould growing up the walls, banging at all times of day and night. The cousin moved out in 3 weeks. Literally the mould stopped growing. The mould was nothing to do with the house, it had been completely gutted before we moved in. Eventually we moved and bfs dad sold it. You can see the back of the house and the back room from a main road in my home town, even to this day over 25years later, it gives me the creeps when I pass it, I can’t look at it.

Black mold: 'The mycotoxins produced by black mold are neurotoxins, which lead to varying neurological symptoms. Feelings of brain fog, dizziness, mood swings, hallucinations, anxiety, depression, seizures, and numbness are just a few of the nervous system effects. ... The chemicals in toxic black mold suppress the immune system.'

@disconnected101 that would certainly go a long way to explain why various posters have described vaults, basements etc as being oppressive or frightening. It would also explain why many people feel the same thing. Add in weird lighting - shadows, too bright, too dim and you are a long way towards explaining ghosts/houses of evil.

This thread would have been interesting if it wasn’t for the constant, pointless, and from some, aggressive, derailing about religion and Meghan bloody Markle. Start your own thread and make your pathetic passive aggressive digs elsewhere please!

@JarvisCockersRightEyebrow SPOT ON! Stop all the boring MM sh!t please!

@ManicPixie

“ Shiatsu is far more than that, its Acupuncture but without needles and according to her, involves the transfer of energy from the practitioner to the patient.”

All massages involve the transfer of energy!

Not in the way Shiatsu does, you should try it.

Late to the party but I've been labelled by some as creepy and evil from a young age. I look at pictures of me as a young child and I don't understand why some people - including adults - thought this of me. Dark haired (sometimes with Wednesday Addams-like plaits, but many other little girls had these too), quiet, socially awkward, now neurodiverse. Damaging.

I've only ever felt what I can describe as dark presences in two places. One was a cellar bar in Edinburgh (name eludes me) which made me feel incredibly uneasy and claustrophobic, I felt like something rather than someone was trying to choke me and left in a hurry.

Another was a fancy apartment in Prague before Airbnb was a thing. It was beautiful, great location, perfect for a long weekend as a solo traveller. But in the bedroom on the first night I felt a really malevolent presence. Just put it down to tiredness from travelling. Woke in the middle of the night as I really thought someone had broken in and was in the room ready to assault me. It was more than a bad dream - hard to explain. I slept on the sofa bed in the living room the next couple of nights.

Auschwitz-Birkenau felt oddly peaceful as a PP said, I definitely felt a sad calmness and sense of respect for the poor victims above the horror.

I think it can be very damaging to make assumptions on someone just because of something you feel. I will bring up the man who was connected with the Joanna Yeates enquiry like others have. It also makes me sad because my ds has been picked on at school because they say he looks like a 'druggy' and looks stoned etc..and a bit wierd! They hounded his Instagram page where he only puts up pictures of his fossil collection or cacti plants. He's never tried drugs in his life and suffers from severe ocd which he's on medication for. If the other children made an effort to actually know him then he's actually a very interesting person with a great sense of humour.