What kind of fucked-up, dysfunctional workplace is our government operating in?

[noblegiraffe]

Downing Street and the Houses of Parliament? Can't get through the day without a suitcase of wine in Downing Street, drugs everywhere in Parliament? Subsidised bars on work premises?

I guess the fact that they tried to make an exemption for the bars in the Houses of Parliament when introducing a curfew for pubs should have been a warning sign that there's far too much reliance on alcohol in our ruling classes.

There was a lot of talk about standards in public life during the Owen Paterson scandal. Surely not being pissed or high on the job is a basic standard?

Aside from the issue that they couldn't even stop having massive piss-ups during lockdown, AIBU to think that something needs to be done to introduce basic rules like 'If you're not safe to drive, you're not allowed to vote in new laws'?

If you wouldn't be happy with a teacher teaching your kids half-cut and would expect rules to prevent this, why should we tolerate our government ruling the country while making their way through the contents of the wine fridge?

People have been posting 'oh yes, it's always been like this'.

Well it shouldn't be in future.

@Nat6999 my first job in the 80s was with HMIT just outside bradford and we definitely went to the pub of a friday afternoon

Brian Bilston's latest:
‘First they came with the bottles of sparkling wine’
twitter.com/brian_bilston/status/1483448697916731396?s=20

@noblegiraffe

Dominic Cummings bloody installed Boris in the first place.

Err no, we did, we voted for Brexit, we then voted in a Tory Government and we then voted in another one, led by Bojo.

We did this despite knowing he was a liar, had fathered 6 or 7 kids by 4 different women & had fucked over Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe when he was appointed Foreign Sec by T.May.... oh and we also knew he was a big fan of Trump, who we also knew all about.

Easy to blame others but we, the voting public did all this over many years.

Cummings isn't to blame for any of this, we are.

..even now, despite everything that has happened, 30% of the electorate - thats 15million voters, would still vote for him.

so don't blame Labour or Cummings, the problem is far closer to home.

I don't think Leave would have won without Cummings as Vote Leave campaign director and Boris wouldn't be PM if it hadn't. He was made leader after Theresa May because of his role in Brexit and then won the general election to 'get Brexit done'.

So cheering now that Cummings is trying to take down Boris is ignoring his very large part in putting him there.

Err no, we did, we voted for Brexit, we then voted in a Tory Government and we then voted in another one, led by Bojo.

The vote for Brexit was a majority or people who voted.

The vote for Boris was a minority of people who voted.

Definitely right. It's why Bozo took him with him into No 10 with the agreement 'I'll do the Prime Ministering and glad handing, you do the rest'. Unfortunately DC had overlooked the irresistible appeal for Boz of an attractive young woman with a glint in her eye. She won the battle for Bozo, booted out DC, leaving Bozo careering around, rudderless and bewildered without a clue how to proceed without direction. Worrying.

@noblegiraffe

I don't think Leave would have won without Cummings as Vote Leave campaign director and Boris wouldn't be PM if it hadn't. He was made leader after Theresa May because of his role in Brexit and then won the general election to 'get Brexit done'.

So cheering now that Cummings is trying to take down Boris is ignoring his very large part in putting him there.

Farage had a far greater impact, he stirred the pot and got EU membership to the fore and he hit on peoples racism, which m,any people find very appealing.

I remember writing that Cameron wouldn't actually have a referendum because he is likely to lose.

Bojo got elected because the paralysis in Parliament, people were sick of it and wanted it over.
I'm not belittling DC's contribution but i also don't think he is this Svengali, he was a disaster with Gove.

However, all this is water under the bridge, if DC brings down Bojo then the Tories, thats fine by me... whats the saying "My enemies enemy is my friend?

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

Err no, we did, we voted for Brexit, we then voted in a Tory Government and we then voted in another one, led by Bojo.

The vote for Brexit was a majority or people who voted.

The vote for Boris was a minority of people who voted.

Thats the system we have, would have been the same had Remain won or Corbyn had got in in 2019.

Farage had a far greater impact

It was certainly a joint effort, leaving the wackos to continue stirring up the racists while concentrating on stirring images of sunlight uplands, buses of money for the NHS and ruthlessly targeted advertising. It was because of Cummings that there was no plan for Brexit from the official Vote Leave campaign, because that would have lost them the vote. He blogged at tedious length about the tactics which were clearly effective,

he was a disaster with Gove.

Indeed his policies were a disaster, but you will notice that the entire school structure, curriculum and exam system were overhauled within a short few years. Things got done, lots of them, massive changes.

Just because he's a vile liar with terrible ideas and no qualms about how to achieve them, that doesn't mean that he's not incredibly effective. Boris should have paid heed.

Indeed his policies were a disaster, but you will notice that the entire school structure, curriculum and exam system were overhauled within a short few years. Things got done, lots of them, massive changes.

It's a shame that it couldn't have been promoted by someone who had a vision of what a good 21st century education for all should look like.