Who is being U, Australia or Novak Djokovic?

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Me, I'm in the you can't have your cake and eat it Novak, camp!

Definitely Team Australia. Novak Djokovic is an example of entitlement and rich privilege. He's an unpleasant man and I think needed to be knocked down a peg or two. I hope his appeal is rejected and they send him back home.

@BoredZelda

This has just been explained on Today by an Aussie sports journalist. It’s about state v federal law - he as allowed by the State of Victoria to go to Victoria and travel within the state, but this is trumped by federal rules which say that he’s not allowed into the country in order to get to Victoria and exercise that permission.

Did the state of Victoria grant the Visa?

No, you need two entry “visas”. One is federal and one is state. Australia has a state based system who have significant autonomy over who enters their borders. Commonly during Covid you can enter the country but not a particular state (eg WA) and in this case Novak has secured a state visa but not a federal visa.

I know Australians living abroad who haven't been able to get back for the whole pandemic - even those with ill relatives, due to cost and difficulty getting flights. It's been incredibly difficult, some were stuck abroad for very long periods.

I don't really see why - when people with really legitimate reasons to visit can't get in - an exception should be made for a spoilt brat of a sportsman just to play in a tennis tournament. I'm glad they're applying the rules fairly.

@jay55

How was he allowed on the plane without the right paperwork? Usually airlines are super strict especially for Australia.

Two reasons:

1. He had a visa so the airline will have let him on for that, they don't have to check that he is fully compliant with all the conditions of that visa.

1. Rich and famous people get special treatment from airlines all the time.

All anti vaxxers should read this thread, and many others like it, to to see what the vaccinated think of the unvaccinated generally around the world.
Hardly anyone, apart from his father, is team Djokovic.

Without knowing his alleged medical exception for vaccination it is impossible to say.

If he doesn't have a valid medial exception then obviously he is very unreasonable to think he is somehow exempt.

Good for Australia for not backing down because of who he is, one rule for all

They are making an example of him because of who he is. Because they got in hot water for this kind of thing before. There isn’t one rule for all, there will be plenty of scenarios where others have got in. They just didn’t make it public so it goes unnoticed.

I’m all for applying rules fairly, but to choose to go back on an agreement in order to make a point, when the person involved has said something you don’t like, isn’t ok.

This was done at the behest of the Prime Minister. That should give everyone cause for concern.

Novax made a decision and is facing he consequences.

1. He had a visa so the airline will have let him on for that, they don't have to check that he is fully compliant with all the conditions of that visa.

2. Rich and famous people get special treatment from airlines all the time.

Actually, on your first point, airlines have a specific responsibility under the Australian rules to check the terms of medical exemptions and that they apply with Australian standards.

I suspect your point 2 may have more to do with it.

@littledrummergirl

Team Novak. He had been granted a medical exemption, it's nobody's business but his and his doctors of why.

Except that's proved not to be the case.

@Iwonder08

The only reason he is detained now is because he was vocal about his view on mandatory vaccination. They don't want someone famous and popular expressing their view that are against their government line.

What nonsense. He's detained because he's appealing being deported. He's being deported because he doesn't have permission to enter the country - as people have been detained without visas long before covid vaccinations 🙄

Just for clarity, none of this is the responsibility of the airline flying him in, or the airport he flew from. They don't check that you have the right to enter the country you are flying to, just that you have the right to travel. What happens when you get to the other end is not their concern. That's up to border control for that country.

My experience is with American visas. It was always made crystal clear to me that even with a visa and a valid passport and all the correct paperwork, you could still be denied entry at border control, if the border officers felt you were misrepresenting yourself in some way, might be up yo no good, or likely to overstay or breach the terms of your visa. A visa does not confer a right of entry, even when correctly issued, and it sounds like that might not even be the case here.

*comply

anti vaxxers should read this thread, and many others like it, to to see what the vaccinated think of the unvaccinated generally around the world.

Is he anti vax though? He is against mandatory vaccinations, but that’s not exactly an unpopular opinion.

Whether you agree with the rules of a country or not you should abide by them.

He is so arrogant he thinks no rules apply and I am glad Australia has now changed its mind on allowing him to play

There’s also a decent chance the airline saw something called ‘medical exemption certificate’, decided it was sufficient and it was Border Force that picked up the certificate was not in line with Australian rules.

Just like an airline might check that you have the relevant visa for travel before you board, but they aren’t going to check your bank account for proof of funds. That happens at the border if required.

Team Australia all the way. They have their rules, if he doesn't want a vaccination that's fine, but don't expect that you should be let in.

Shocker - MNetters jumping to conclusions.

From what i am aware, he has not kicked up a fuss in the slightest. The tournament granted exceptions to certain players if they are unvaccinated. He was granted as an exception - We do not know his medical history so cannot jump to conclusions.

He arrived in AUS, and it turns out his management team have applied for the incorrect VISA - Hence his refused entry.

His whole team have come off like absolute idiots I detest him

@Bexxe he’s a covid denier

@RedRec

All anti vaxxers should read this thread, and many others like it, to to see what the vaccinated think of the unvaccinated generally around the world. Hardly anyone, apart from his father, is team Djokovic.

Lol! Most normal people are getting on with their day, living their lives and thinking about other more positive things. It's only people who are particularly pro or hesitant about the vaccine that are generally drawn to these kinds of threads. Please don't try to spread division - it's not very nice.

Surely his team knew the rules of entry, i can't imagine they wanted to spend days in an Airport hotel and a court case.

So it looks to me as if he complied with the State rules, there was then a public outcry and the federal Govt got involved.

So i don't see Novak has done anything wrong.

Unfortunately he wont say what the medical exemption is, so its all speculation.

@Bexxe

Shocker - MNetters jumping to conclusions.

From what i am aware, he has not kicked up a fuss in the slightest. The tournament granted exceptions to certain players if they are unvaccinated. He was granted as an exception - We do not know his medical history so cannot jump to conclusions.

He arrived in AUS, and it turns out his management team have applied for the incorrect VISA - Hence his refused entry.

Federal Court is a bit of a fuss.

Team Aus.

Important point though - he didn't get his exemption because of who he is, applications are made anonymously.

However - it's being reviewed despite who he is. Good for Aus :)

I'm finding contradictory information about Australia's requirements online and I'm not sure which is accurate/up to date.

If he could have avoided this problem by arriving earlier and quarantining, then he is BU.

If he couldn't have, because the mandate doesn't allow unvaccinated people to travel at all (when quarantine/testing would prove they didn't have Covid and weren't a risk in any way) then Australia is BU.