Should someone who's been waiting longer than you at the bus stop always get on first?

[Letthebodieshitthefloor]

The bus I take is essentially a coach, always plenty of seats even at busy hours.

This morning I approached the bus stop, a woman was already there, and I saw her glaring at me because I was standing in the bus stop rather than at the side.

She then let another woman on first who'd perhaps been there longer than she had, then got herself in front of me and looked at me making sure I wouldn't get on before she did.

It's all a bit petty really, the bus was almost empty, it's not going to go without you.

If there were a pregnant/vulnerable/elderly passenger getting on and I could see there weren't many seats left then I'd let them on first.

Only losers take the bus (ta duh dah dah dah)

The problem is that in most queues, some people are doing the 'in a line' queue, some are doing the ultimo thing queue and some are doing who looks most in need of a seat queue. How the three random queueing methods work together shares the rules of Mornington Crescent, if diagonals are allowed and you're playing with the Toblerone expansion.

speed trumps manners on an express bus

No, it doesn’t.
It isn’t a life or death situation, it is a scenario where it costs you nothing to show basic politeness.

You might think it’s fine to push in, but the man who was there first did not. And that’s what matters. You pushed in and that was rude, so he let you know.

In theory yes but where I am in London it's really every man for themselves😂

I stand closest to the bus stop sign because I have a buggy and bus drivers usually stop as close to me as possible so I'm able to get on. When I'm not with the buggy tho, I usually stand wherever and let people get on first who was there before me. In rush hour times, everyone queues at the bus stops in Vauxhall and I'd honestly never do that. It's not that serious at all

If it is pissing rain and others have been under the shelter, imho it is ok to jump on first if the bus stops in front of you. Obviously, seats for more needy should be left.

Bus queues are orderly, chaos inside, usually a there is a knobhead listening to music without headphones. It becomes less about if a seat is available and more about seat preference.

Trains have many points of entry and exit so that's everyone for themselves. Except one particular train - the 7.23 from platform 4. Most people know where the doors will open and will firm mini queues based. Tis all lovely.

Universal truth is that people must get off bus/train before anyone gets on.

Always no.

Disabled/Wheelchair, elderly, pregnant people on before and then those waiting AT the bus stop the longest, I think.

[quote GreenFridays]@NearlyAHoarder You still pushed in! He was there first, not you. Therefore, you pushed in.

You don’t even need to gesture, you step back to make it clear you recognise he was there first.

And it’s nothing whatsoever to do with England / Ireland, so not sure why you keep going on about that.[/quote]
I did not keep going on about the difference between English bus etiquette and Irish etiquette, I only mentioned it in about my 3rd post when I began to realise that given your inability to accept any mitigating circumstances at all, practicality, speed, forty spare seats, there may well be some nuances in the etiquettes.

Anyway, good day.........

@ButtonSister

As a child we had a GP surgery with no receptionist. You sat in the waiting room with the other patients and knew it was your turn to see the GP when you knew everyone else in the room with you had arrived later than you.

The GP I used to go to still had that system in 1991, when I moved away.

When it was very busy, the doctor used to come out and ask if anyone was just waiting for prescriptions or certificates, and he'd stand there and write them out in the waiting room.

But yes, of course you should observe the protocol at bus stops. It's the British way of doing things!

Are you British? British queueing is World renowned. Its etiquette. respect for the convention.

@TrashyPanda

speed trumps manners on an express bus

No, it doesn’t.
It isn’t a life or death situation, it is a scenario where it costs you nothing to show basic politeness.

You might think it’s fine to push in, but the man who was there first did not. And that’s what matters. You pushed in and that was rude, so he let you know.

When there are forty spare seats, yes it does. Also, I did not push in.

Some people are a being deliberately obtuse or they love an argument.

Lol not long ago I was waiting for the bus with my youngest whos early teens, three other people at the stop. Bus pulls up empty right in front of me and dc. So she just hops on ,beeps her card and darts to the back of the bus. Lady went nuts at my dc, told her off for queue jumping, no manners, respect etc.

It really puzzled my very literal thinking dc. They thought they were doing the rest of us a favour getting on quickly and not holding the bus up.

PS, also, I know that driver and have heard him say ''hurry up!'' to people if they get on the bus too slowly.

This is getting ridiculous now.

I did not push in but it's been said back to me repeatedly. That is not what happened.

@Oblomov22

Are you British? British queueing is World renowned. Its etiquette. respect for the convention.

This is exactly what I was going to type lol

When there are forty spare seats, yes it does

The number of seats empty or full are irrelevant. In a queue, the person there first, goes first. That’s how queues work

Also, I did not push in
You did. Getting on in front of someone who was there before is known as “pushing in”. It doesn’t mean you physically pushed him out of the way, it means you ignored the face he was before you.

@Lalliella

The British thing to do is queue. The other day I queued up behind some people who weren’t even in a queue! They were just stood near a queue having a chat. I did this because I’m not a savage 😂

I did this in the post office in our local supermarket. Only the people I queued behind weren't in the queue. And neither were the people in front of them! It was just before Christmas and I thought it was a massive queue but turned out there wasn't one!

A few years ago I got the bus to see my dd. I queued up at the back and when the bus came I realised I had actually queued at the front! I wondered why I was getting some funny looks from some of the regulars! I stepped aside and let them all get on.

I did not know about this rule. I would let elderly, disabled or people with young children on first. After that I just thought it was whoever happened to stand nearest the doors when the bus stops.

i know that driver and have heard him say ''hurry up!'' to people if they get on the bus too slowly

That’s appalling. He has no idea if people have disabilities that may make them a little bit slower. I’d be reporting him to the company if he said that to me (disabled). In any case, it’s no reason to be rude to others, which pushing in is.

I used to live near Reading University and I once saw a group of Italian exchange students at the bus stop.
The guide with them was carefully explaining the British Queue Etiquette and the importance attached to it by British people.

They seemed amazed, but they followed it politely when they bus arrived.

These are the bus queue laws, OP, dont fuck with nature

The only place in England where entry to a vehicle is a free for all, rather than by order of who arrived first, is the London Underground. If you want to shove on first without incurring social contempt, the 07.25 from kings Cross to Leicester Square is your best bet.

Nope. Trains and trams are the same. It’s the difference between waiting to enter one door v there being many doors.

[quote NearlyAHoarder]@GreenFridays I did not Push in.

I did not.

I stepped on to the bus quickly.

If I'd stepped aside, he would not have got on to the bus any quicker.

I'm all for bus etiquette, I have NEVER pushed anybody aside to get on a bus depriving them of either a seat or a standing place, NEVER,that's just not who I am. I'm more likely to be the one left behind at the bus stop because I wasn't assertive enough.[/quote]
You can “push in” without physically shoving anyone aside.
The proper way to get on a bus is in the order you arrived at the bus stop. IF you want to you can indicate to a nearby elderly/disabled/pregnant etc person that they may go in front of you but you do not get on before anyone who was already there when you arrived

It's a queue, isn't it. If you choose to let someone in ahead of you, fair enough, but it's completely unfair if someone has been there in good time, waiting patiently, then someone gets on before them.

Just basic manners.

Yes it’s basic common curtesy for people who were there first to get on first.

When people stop following basic social rules due to the level of modern entitlement then society as a whole starts to rot away.

The only exception would be if the person who was first politely signals for you to go ahead because you are elderly/pregnant or they are feeling generous.

You are very BU. It's a common bus etiquette. If there are enough people to form a queue, it should be done. But several people waiting, of course you let the person who was there before you get on the bus first.

@FourTeaFallOut

Of course the people who get there first go on the bus first. What are you, a savage?

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