Aibu to not like drag Queens?

[Draggedalong1]

And why don’t I? To me there is something intimidating and scary in the make up, and harsh glamour, parodied until it’s ugly and I think, aggressive. I remember going to drag shows long again in the 90s and they seemed to be a bit of fun and almost innocent compared to whatever it is about ru Paul et al. Nothing wrong with a bit of dame Edna from what I remember as a kid. What’s the reasoning behind this new style I wonder, and aibu?

@AppleJane

I can remember disgusting boys at school saying that.

Exactly. Usually aimed at the girls that wouldn't go out with them.

Another poster who can't seem to grasp context

A boy calling a girl fishy or describing them as fishy due to being turned down is insulting - based on the CONTEXT of the comment and the situation as a whole.

Drag queens use the term to compliment each other. Totally different context and little to no offense meant or indeed taken by most.

@Franca123

I remember being told to calm down after I got groped at a cash point one afternoon.

By a drag queen?

What a load of tosh @SwimmingIntoMotherhood

Sounds like you're trying to kid yourself 'fishy' isn't an offensive term for vagina.

It's not even that it's simply an offensive term for vagina. It is implying (not very subtly) that women's vaginas are disgusting and dirty. It's misognistic in the extreme whatever the context.

@AppleJane

What a load of tosh *@SwimmingIntoMotherhood*

Sounds like you're trying to kid yourself 'fishy' isn't an offensive term for vagina.

But it's not when used in different contexts

If I said 'your fridge smells fishy' that's not insulting to a vagina is it. Because of this wonderful thing called context.

Drag queens use the term to compliment each other. Not to degrade or demean women.

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Why is the drag queen being accused of transphobia? (And not misogyny?)
The article quotes some of his tweets but I’m obviously missing some context here.

I believe the apology for transphobia was because of backlash on Twitter that referring to genitalia when referring to women was triggering for transwomen.

There was, as far as I know, no apology in regards to the misogny.

From the RP Dictionary
Fishy
Adj. A term used to describe a drag queen who looks extremely feminine

It is not an insult directed towards women. It's a term used by drag queens about eachother. That's probably why I have never come across it in a drag act. It's not really used in drag acts.

'your fridge smells fishy' that's not insulting to avagina is it

bit insulting to the fridge tho

From the RP dictionary. The full definition as given.

'Fishy
adj. A term used to describe a drag queen who looks extremely feminine, or one who convincingly resembles a cis woman. The term is a reference to the scent of a vagina, which is colloquially likened to the smell of fish. Although the term is considered to be a compliment among Drag Queens, it is often considered to be an insult among non-drag women.'

non-drag women

Thank you @Waitwhat23, I couldnt get it to copy.

@Waitwhat23

I believe the apology for transphobia was because of backlash on Twitter that referring to genitalia when referring to women was triggering for transwomen.

There was, as far as I know, no apology in regards to the misogny.

Are you KIDDING?! He apologised for using an offensive term in reference to the smell of women’s genitals because it TRIGGERED men who identify as women? No apology for the disgusting misogyny towards women?

And people don’t think drag is misogynist? What does it take for it to become clearer?

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

non-drag women

Women do drag too

Ignorance isn't a good look, especially when forming strong opinions on a particular topic

All the posters desperately trying to say drag queens aren't referring to sticky fannies. Hahahahaha

Oh they're just talking about a smelly fridge?

Pull the other one. It's got bells on.

Women do drag too

They might, but those are not the ones the article cited above had in mind.

I see you fighting another corner of misogyny here. Unsuccessfully.

Are women who do drag not referred to as Drag Kings? In the definition given above 'non-drag women' would appear to refer to women who are not involved in drag at all.

This is ludicrous. They wrinkle their noses and fan at their fishy fannies. They know exactly what they are doing and what they mean by it.

Are women who do drag not referred to as Drag Kings? In the definition given above 'non-drag women' would appear to refer to women who are not involved in drag at all.

Drag kings are usually women dressed up as men.

I was at a drag competition a couple of years ago where a straight female doing drag was called a 'bio queen' first time I'd heard it. She had crazy colour extensions/wig and really bright neon clothing and make up. I think she sang and danced to a dua lipa song.

@Waitwhat23

Are women who do drag not referred to as Drag Kings? In the definition given above 'non-drag women' would appear to refer to women who are not involved in drag at all.

Not all no

Some women do drag as women

@AppleJane

All the posters desperately trying to say drag queens aren't referring to sticky fannies. Hahahahaha

Well they're not

Not sure how stating a fact is odd in your view

They say it as a complement

@AppleJane

Oh they're just talking about a smelly fridge?

Pull the other one. It's got bells on.

No, they're talking about how great other drag queens look.

I’d like to know how so many drag queens (who are usually gay men, if I’m not mistaken) seem to think they know what women’s bodies smell like. Surely most of them have never been near a vagina since the day they came out of one?

Drag queens use the term to compliment each other. Not to degrade or demean women.

What the fuck are you on about?

They use the term 'fishy' because of the misogynistic trope that women's vaginas smell of fish - that's why they use the word for drag queens who 'pass' as women.

Otherwise why would they be using the word 'fishy?