To want our neighbours to not dry their laundry on their front drive?

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We have new neighbours, they seem to live out their garage. Constantly fixing their 3 cars, parking their cars in front of other peoples drives. Sitting in their cars with the door open talking on their phone via the speaker, vaping - music blaring. Now drying their laundry on an airer on the front drive. AIBU to think put it in your back garden like normal people FFS. The rest is bad enough, but the whole street doesn't need to see your pants!

Sadly it usually is renters who care less for property and flaut the rules in my experience . I've been a landlord and had this with tenants , I've lived in a small block of flats where renters did not have the same regard as owners and where I live now we have the obligatory social housing flats . To say it is a nightmare for the people who live adjacent to these is a nightmare - people parking on landscaped areas, people parking in other people's spaces , laundry hanging from balconies and the disdain with which these young women talk about their brand new flats they are renting on the FB group - flats that cost 300k to private buyers

Wow. This post speaks volumes about you @IamGusFring.

Not your washing, not your home, not your family, not your business

[quote TractorAndHeadphones]@IamGusFring and can you blame renters? They’re reminded at every turn that it isn’t their home, so why would you expect them to treat it as such?

Of course there are bad tenants no matter what the LL does, and vice versa. But most rentals I’ve been in have lots of rules (e.g no wall hangings) and LL’s don’t really care about conditions.
My current LL is great pretty much we can do what we want as long as there’s no lasting damage and we always tell them before anyway.I do lots of maintain house and garden and it doesn’t feel like home. Can’t say the same for any of my previous properties though.[/quote]
can you blame renters? They’re reminded at every turn that it isn’t their home, so why would you expect them to treat it as such?

This really isn't a very good reason to treat a place like shit , is it ?

When I was a private renter I didn't think like that because I would get thrown out or lose my deposit and I have respect for other people's property . Your line is actually doing renters a disservice .

@FindingMeno

I wish we all lived as more of a community rather than behind locked doors scuttling around in back gardens wondering what the neighbours are going to complain about next.

But some of us do.

When any of my NDN have been ill or myself (am disabled) NDN offer to do shopping, collect prescriptions collect children for each other. My NDN came round when i was in labour waiting for DH to arrive home on a 3 hour drive ( baby came early) ... some NDNs mow each other's gardens when they are doing theirs. We look out for each other, occasionally go to each other's bbq parties. But mostly we have our own friends. Music is turned down at a party at midnight so not to disturb neighbours. My neighbours further down have had my DCs when Ive been admitted suddenly to hospital until my DParents can get down. I help them complete benefit forms for relatives...
About half of my friends have same experience of lovely thoughtful neighbours in their mini communities .

We don't live in a rural area but it's not a city either. I guess it's suburbia as is residential area on outskirts of town but I love my little community and if drying my laundry out the front upset my NDNs of course it would bother me as I don't want to do anything that would impact on my neighbours, if I can help it.

I think it'd be different if you don't like your neighbours or don't feel their is a community around you. But usually people take pride in their home and how it looks from the outside as well as inside.

@BitterTits

Sadly it usually is renters who care less for property and flaut the rules in my experience . I've been a landlord and had this with tenants , I've lived in a small block of flats where renters did not have the same regard as owners and where I live now we have the obligatory social housing flats . To say it is a nightmare for the people who live adjacent to these is a nightmare - people parking on landscaped areas, people parking in other people's spaces , laundry hanging from balconies and the disdain with which these young women talk about their brand new flats they are renting on the FB group - flats that cost 300k to private buyers

Wow. This post speaks volumes about you @IamGusFring.

Go on then - do tell me what you know about my life from this post ....

@invisiblereally

I think it depends on what your housing and the neighbourhood is like.

If most People dry their washing out front, then it's not an issue but it is unusual in most areas. If lots of people have cats being repaired or sit out in their front gardens all day or in shared areas then that is the character of the area.

If it's a quiet nice area where people take pride in the front gardens and how their houses look, to create a relaxing feel to their neighbourhood then one neighbour hanging their washing out, making noise all day out the front , repairing multiple cars on their drive and the road, blasting music, would be out of kilter with the rest of the neighbourhood and probably make some NDNs unhappy. And that would be understandable and what would happen in real life.

There is no rule (unless in a covenant) that you can't air washing in your front garden and need must if that is the only place, but if it isn't, then it's not unreasonable to expect people to think of their neighbours and try to live in harmony.

😂😂😂

Putting your washing out on your own property is a disruption to harmony in the street?

For fuck sake I’ve read it all now 😂😂

Unless I’ve missed something, they’re not bare knuckle fighting or getting pissed and shouting abuse at people

I wouldn't like it either. Its particularly hard when you've had good neighbours and then someone like this moves in. But they might improve over time. 🤞

your back garden is closer to their washing machine than their front

How do you know which room their washing machine is in? Ours is at the front of our house - closer to the front door than the back.

I think you need to relax and wind your neck in.

We have new neighbours, they seem to live out their garage. Constantly fixing their 3 cars, parking their cars in front of other peoples drives. Sitting in their cars with the door open talking on their phone via the speaker, vaping - music blaring.

I don't understand why the benign act of hanging their washing out front has tipped you over the edge, rather than say, blocking other people's cars in.

Wow. This post speaks volumes about you @IamGusFring.

Yes @BitterTits it says that IAmGus is disappointed when people park on landscaped (garden) areas - which ruins the area for everyone & does criminal damage;
-When people park in others allocated spaces - (and we all know how much MNers hate it when selfish people do that -just read parking threads!)
-When they disrespect the flats and area they live in

He happens to have observed in his area that it is renters or a minority of people in cheaper rent social housing that are doing it. That's a fact in his situation.
It is unlikely to be a generalised fact as many people in social housing take pride in what they have.

And it is a fact he has noticed being a LL that his renters don't often keep the property or garden well.

@BitterTits You shouldn't try to silence PPs talking about their lived experience in their situation as it's not your life.

The first sentence had a bold fail as it was a quote from @BitterTits 's post

Sadly it usually is renters who care less for property and flaut the rules in my experience . I've been a landlord and had this with tenants , I've lived in a small block of flats where renters did not have the same regard as owners and where I live now we have the obligatory social housing flats. To say it is a nightmare for the people who live adjacent to these is a nightmare - people parking on landscaped areas, people parking in other people's spaces , laundry hanging from balconies and the disdain with which these young women talk about their brand new flats they are renting on the FB group - flats that cost 300k to private buyers.

I another person that thinks this post tells me an enormous amount about you @IamGusFring.

Particularly "we have the obligatory social housing flats" and judgement about "laundry hanging from balconies". Where should they dry clothes other than their balcony, if they live in a flat?

@ineedsun
You should RTFT before you comment as plenty people have explained and also pointed out many housing developers for 20 years have been putting clauses into purchase contracts no laundry out the front

It's not rocket science

I would be more concerned about the rest of things they do, than the washing.

My house is 90 years old and there's a clause in the deeds that you can't hang your washing out on a Sunday.

[quote invisiblereally]@ineedsun
You should RTFT before you comment as plenty people have explained and also pointed out many housing developers for 20 years have been putting clauses into purchase contracts no laundry out the front

It's not rocket science [/quote]
I’ve read it, and I still think it’s hilarious

@BitterTits

Erm, our rotary line is in the front corner. It was when we moved here. There's a massive leylandi hedge at the back so no good for drying in winter. I do hide the undies in the middle bit never thought this could be an issue! Only on Mumsnet I guess.

This place has always done a nice line in performative middle class.

I am not allowed ‘casual visitors’ think prostitution- related.

Particularly "we have the obligatory social housing flats" and judgement about "laundry hanging from balconies". Where should they dry clothes other than their balcony, if they live in a flat?

@CSJobseeker

Iamgus is simply reflecting facts and you are being nasty to him/her.

1. New developments do have obligation of certain proportion of affordable social housing , it's in planning permission that local BCs put in.

1. It is also a fact that laundry hanging from balconies isn't attractive and probably in their rental agreement not to. I understand why though if they don't have anywhere else dry them.

You conveniently missed out that @IamGusFring
also listed a number of antisocial things some renters in his area are doing that is damaging the area and causing problems for neighbours. Like parking on landscaping and in other peoples allocated spaces.
You can't argue with his experience Jobseeker as it is facts from his area and life, not yours.

Architects and developers take great care in designing new developments to look good and harmonious. It must be frustrating to buy or rent a place that looks lovely and others are damaging infront of you because they are selfish and inconsiderate.

Sadly it usually is renters who care less for property and flaut the rules in my experience . I've been a landlord and had this with tenants , I've lived in a small block of flats where renters did not have the same regard as owners and where I live now we have the obligatory social housing flats . To say it is a nightmare for the people who live adjacent to these is a nightmare - people parking on landscaped areas, people parking in other people's spaces , laundry hanging from balconies and the disdain with which these young women talk about their brand new flats they are renting on the FB group - flats that cost 300k to private buyers .

🤣🤣🤣🤣 funniest thing I've ever read.

Also wonder if you are my neighbour who I got chatting to when I moved into my new build estate 15 years ago. She had a great time blaming the people in "those (pointing) HA flats" for the fire set in the park, the damaged cars and the parking. Also "those too" from the small cul de sac of houses where a very well known hooligan who smashed cars and ran into the road (he was 8!) lived.

And I loved every minute when she finished pointing out my flats were the HA ones - including me and also the houses behind us not the privately owned houses in the cul de sac across the road.

@invisiblereally

This is such a Hyacinth thing to be bothered about. It's clean washing.

There's people that notice their surroundings and people that don't. It won't bother you much if you spend all your time watching tv , playing on your mobile, Xbox games and going out. If you are someone who likes to sit quietly with a book, by the window on your sofa enjoying the light and view from the house you chose, then it would be a bit jarring to have a view of other peoples drying washing at the front of their house. It's unusual.

No matter how much MNers are falling over themselves to prove how cool they are that it 'wouldn't bother' them, I suspect in real life it'd bother most people.

But the 'view OP chose' is apparently just of someone else's house, so not sure why you would want to sit and enjoy looking at that whether there were clothes in the garden or not

This is a dog whistle case of either racism or class snobbery. Without doubt the op considers herself morally superior by virtue of class or race and is looking for confirmation here.

Op, look at your own biases.

I hear you op. Some people on here have never lived in a rough council estate so glorify that behaviour a bit I think. It’s normally a precursor to worse antisocial behaviour and having the police out often without a thought for their neighbours. Anyone who’s lived on a rough estate knows the ones in street all the time are the people to avoid.

Some of us have indeed lived on rough council estates, around actual anti social behaviour, and this is precisely why we understand that OP complaining about something as utterly insignificant as washing on the front garden is batshit. There's nothing like having genuinely experienced the police turning up on a regular basis to give you a sense of perspective.

@CSJobseeker

Sadly it usually is renters who care less for property and flaut the rules in my experience . I've been a landlord and had this with tenants , I've lived in a small block of flats where renters did not have the same regard as owners and where I live now we have the obligatory social housing flats. To say it is a nightmare for the people who live adjacent to these is a nightmare - people parking on landscaped areas, people parking in other people's spaces , laundry hanging from balconies and the disdain with which these young women talk about their brand new flats they are renting on the FB group - flats that cost 300k to private buyers.

I another person that thinks this post tells me an enormous amount about you @IamGusFring.

Particularly "we have the obligatory social housing flats" and judgement about "laundry hanging from balconies". Where should they dry clothes other than their balcony, if they live in a flat?

I don't make the rules of the Housing Association which rents to them . The Trust have obviously deemed that it is against the by laws of the estate and the by laws are obviously based on the fact that clothes all over the place makes for an unsightly living environment as is keeping hens , having bbqs on the verandah , parking on the roads etc .