To want our neighbours to not dry their laundry on their front drive?

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We have new neighbours, they seem to live out their garage. Constantly fixing their 3 cars, parking their cars in front of other peoples drives. Sitting in their cars with the door open talking on their phone via the speaker, vaping - music blaring. Now drying their laundry on an airer on the front drive. AIBU to think put it in your back garden like normal people FFS. The rest is bad enough, but the whole street doesn't need to see your pants!

Don’t be so snobbish.

Parking in front of other people's driveways is a legitimate concern.. but you are mad about them drying their washing out the front.
Get a grip. How is it actually harming you? Or are you triggered by seeing other people's socks when you look out your lounge window?

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10355325/A-woman-sick-neighbours-pants-asks-stop-drying-laundry.html

@ineedsun

"Absolutely fascinating that you have chosen to talk about emotional intelligence when you have repeatedly told people to RTFT when they don’t agree with you. Just brilliant."

Yet another PP that misquotes. And hasn’t understood because they haven’t read the whole thread.

Let me patiently explain to you … it'll be long...

Bov repeatedly said she couldn’t understand why some people were bothered by something that didn’t bother her personally and she repeatedly asked people to explain it to her as he didn't understand.

Multiple people did . Multiple people got fed up explaining over and over and then said but we can’t help you anymore if you fail to grasp not everyone thinks the same thoughts. Bov said she didn’t understand people with different view points

You misquote that PP Ineedsun they didn't write RTFT to "people that disagree with them” - you made that up! They said you can RTFT to Bov simply as she had so many explanations to read already patiently given to her through the thread.

The irony isn’t what you think it is and that is because you are seeing offence and conflict where there is none and are too busy misquoting.

If you read what they wrote it shows that PP was patient with Bov and made a genuine suggestion about a book to read, a psychology one to help her with what she said herself she was struggling with. I bet Bov hasn’t even looked it up! I did and thought it was a helpful suggestion. .

We MNers can RTFT to read back and see for ourselves who said what.

I don't glorify anything, but I think it's very telling when people use "council estate" as a synonym for "criminal / violent / anti-social

A council estate is by no means guaranteed to suffer from the above problems but I imagine there is a very strong correlation between the two.

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Fuck me, talk about scraping the barrel.

Rather than this be a bun fight it would be so much nicer if people just said if it bothered them or not and their own view and accepted we are all different and acknowledge we all live in different housing.

As another Pp pointed out it's poor form to insult someone just because they have a different POV and values from you. And live in a different type of neighbourhood

(Even though I have no skin in the game, laundry wherever doesn't bother me as I'm not home until dark most evenings, but I can't imagine being thoughtless to my neighbours if I was).

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I think it's funny daily mail have picked up the story. It's just the sort of story they love to run. Suburbia and should you hang your washing out the front?

It's interesting to read different people's viewpoints

I feel sorry for those with muddy back gardens in shadow most of the day. It has to be disappointing to to have paid to have a nice garden they can't sit out in to catch the sun (or dry washing in. )

I want a sister thread now about should you put your sun loungers out the front to sunbathe if that's where the sun is?

[quote Spartcat]@ineedsun

"Absolutely fascinating that you have chosen to talk about emotional intelligence when you have repeatedly told people to RTFT when they don’t agree with you. Just brilliant."

Yet another PP that misquotes. And hasn’t understood because they haven’t read the whole thread.

Let me patiently explain to you … it'll be long...

Bov repeatedly said she couldn’t understand why some people were bothered by something that didn’t bother her personally and she repeatedly asked people to explain it to her as he didn't understand.

Multiple people did . Multiple people got fed up explaining over and over and then said but we can’t help you anymore if you fail to grasp not everyone thinks the same thoughts. Bov said she didn’t understand people with different view points

You misquote that PP Ineedsun they didn't write RTFT to "people that disagree with them” - you made that up! They said you can RTFT to Bov simply as she had so many explanations to read already patiently given to her through the thread.

The irony isn’t what you think it is and that is because you are seeing offence and conflict where there is none and are too busy misquoting.

If you read what they wrote it shows that PP was patient with Bov and made a genuine suggestion about a book to read, a psychology one to help her with what she said herself she was struggling with. I bet Bov hasn’t even looked it up! I did and thought it was a helpful suggestion. .

We MNers can RTFT to read back and see for ourselves who said what.
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Brilliant, that poster said it to me at least once. But you carry on patronising and misquoting people

Secret Santa and this busted - slow news day 😂

Well I am enjoying this thread - laughing my head off at some of the ridiculous comments, and at how uptight some people are.

Anyone who has time to stress over where a neighbour hangs their washing really needs to get a life!

Just a few corrections for @Spartcat since they seem very concerned about people getting misquoted:

Multiple people did .
No they didn't, as I kept/keep saying. I am still waiting for you to answer my post of 18:07, for example.

Bov said she didn’t understand people with different view points
No I didn't. I said the opposite - that it wasn't the fact that the viewpoint was different that was impeding my understanding, but that it hadn't been explained.

... made a genuine suggestion about a book to read, a psychology one to help her with what she said herself she was struggling with
No I didn't. As per above. It was so lovely to have a PP tell me I was the problem for my lack of emotional intelligence, but I would have preferred them to explain why they find clean clothes antisocial.

I bet Bov hasn’t even looked it up!
As a psychology undergrad I was already aware of Goleman's work.

it would be so much nicer if people just said if it bothered them or not and their own view and accepted we are all different
I have said I accept people are entitled to find clothes unsightly but also think it's ok to ask why. I don't know why people are getting defensive about it.

it's poor form to insult someone just because they have a different POV and values from you
Not sure if this is directed at me but I haven't insulted anyone. I have been insulted though.

laundry wherever doesn't bother me
Really? Because you said earlier you weren't keen on it. You seem to be misquoting yourself.

Gutted I was not name checked in the Mail.

Fuck me. Is this still going?? Get to the pub people. There is life out there.

@Bovrilly

You're not correcting Spartcat
You are misquoting again!!

Multiple people did explain- I know because I and several others did! If you're unsure or you've struggled to retain that informstion- scroll back through the thread ..

You said you couldn't understand other PPs points of view as couldn't understand why they thought like they did. You asked people over and over to explain that couldn't understand anything different to your own view.

It's very worrying to me that you are a psych undergrad. You struggle on here to comprehend much that one would hope a psychology student naturally understands.

You can't be familiar with Golemans work or EQ because if you were you would know that

• believing others are over sensitive due to difficulties understanding how others feel
• becoming argumentative
• having difficulty listening to others
• reacting disproportionately

are all markers of low EQ.

I saw invisiblereality talk patiently with you. She listened and respected your thoughts & accepted it. She even said so. She explained other people have different view points, so can you not understand that ? And why? Other pp explained why. But you said no you couldn't understand why they thought differently to you. So someone patient kindly suggested a book about how people think differently. It's a well written book. The broken record strategy you're employing is not useful here.

Other posters have said that's enough misquoting now. Please take a hint.

Ha this thread made me laugh.

Tonight, whilst looking for houses on rightmove and the likes, DP says ‘I was going to show you this but I don’t think it’s a very nice place, there are rugs and towels draped over their front fences and walls😬’

I get you OP. That’s about the same level as having an old sofa in the front garden, or painting 3 feet tall house numbers in emulsion on the front of the house

I agree 😂. I'd not want to buy a house where the neighbours were doing all the things your neighbours are. Nothing wrong with people wanting a neighbourhood that's nice to look at, tidy and quiet. .

@DillonPanthersTexas

Gutted I was not name checked in the Mail.

Lol!! Dillon what quote of yours did you want Daily mail published in their paper?

I'm sorry @whereismumhiding3 but no, nobody has sensibly explained what it is about clothes drying at the front of a house that is antisocial or unsightly. (Leaving aside the council estate / chavvy / tacky comments, and the implication that it must be some kind of universal truth because some housing developers include covenants about it.) Some people have said that they find it so, and I have said I accept that they do, and they are perfectly entitled to think so, but I am very curious about why, when there is nothing intrinsically unsightly about clothes, or about laundering them. And people seem ok with clothes drying at the back of a house.

I am sceptical about the claim that it's because someone in the house opposite might be reading their book in the front room and on glancing up, might see, instead of their neighbour's house, a house with clean clothes in front of it. I would really like someone to explain what is antisocial about that.

You said you couldn't understand other PPs points of view as couldn't understand why they thought like they did.
As I made clear at the time and since, it's not the fact that their view is different that is the problem, but that they are unable to explain it. What is antisocial or unsightly about drying clothes in the front garden as opposed to the back? How come one PP said they weren't keen on it happening even though they rarely saw it?

*You can't be familiar with Golemans work or EQ because if you were you would know that

• believing others are over sensitive due to difficulties understanding how others feel*

I don't believe others are over sensitive and have not said that - becoming argumentative I have not become argumentative, I have been polite throughout - having difficulty listening to others I don't have difficulty listening to others - I have addressed many individual posts with specific questions and comments - reacting disproportionately I haven't reacted disproportionately. I have asked simple questions and the best answer so far, which is not very convincing, is the one about glancing up and catching sight of some clean clothes. are all markers of low EQ.

I saw invisiblereality talk patiently with you. She listened and respected your thoughts & accepted it.
I don't find being patronised and labelled as having low emotional intelligence particularly respectful, but there you go.

And i don't believe I have misquoted @Spartcat in pointing out the discrepancy between not being keen on something and it not bothering them. Or pointing out that they haven't answered a direct question.

Do stop whining on @Bovrilly
Even I can see you're being a bit dense. There's 320 posts. Lots of people saying why they hold view they have either way and you're in the midst droning on how no one is explaining it to you and tagging posters demanding that they do!! They're not your your parents!

😂 at Dillon's post!

And @FTEngineerM Did your DH find property advertised in Rightmove with rugs and towels draped over their front walls in estate agents photos?! 🤪

There's a a subReddit dedicated to bad estate agent photos but I stopped following it as they were pretty extreme & 🤢 photos!

Forgive me if I find these explanations unconvincing or incomplete:

When I'm reading my book I might glance up and see some clean clothes instead of the front of my neighbour's house

Housing developers have covenants

It's the same as having an old sofa in the front garden

It's the same as leaving rubbish on the pavement for weeks on end

It's chavvy

It's fine to see my neighbour's laundry at the back but not at the front

Anyone who doesn't mind it must walk about staring at their phone

Anyone who doesn't mind it is pretending to be cool

Anyone who doesn't mind it must spend all their time watching tv or playing on the Xbox

It gives the impression it's a council estate

I don't like it even when I don't see it

Etc etc

Not one sensible, rational explanation in 320 posts! I realise it's not going to happen now though and will stop asking, as requested.

Oh my Lordy. Are you on Duracell batteries Bovrilly?

Lol @Bovrilly read your own posts mate you are arguementative, disproportinate , can’t listen and call people oversensitive coz you don't understand them. It’s not them being defensive, it's you mate.

That's quite a good list. I know people that would try to start a (one sided) argument with the Dalia lama ! I'm gunna use that list when I watch them start up.

Bovrilly these people ain’t your parents, stop going on and on and on!!!

If you can’t read the same thread that the rest of us have and we can all understand, then maybe you should go read something you find easier and put it down to being a mystery in your life.

It's grim to me too but sounds part of a whole package of somewhat 'common', mildly antisocial behavior that in some circles might be considered 'normal'.

You're right @Bovrilly if you think thee is

Not one sensible, rational explanation in 320 posts! I realise it's not going to happen now though and will stop asking, as requested.

... Since you can't see "one sensible rationale post" by anyone other than you , you should defo give it a rest!

... Talk about arrogance and ignorence all rolled up into one posters little head!!!

Since you can't see "one sensible rationale post" by anyone other than you

I said not one sensible, rational explanation. Not post. There are plenty of sensible posts.