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AIBU?

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I'm usually not unreasonable, but is my judgment clouded?

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MrsKellySeveride · 26/12/2021 17:46

Hi all knowing Mumsnetters

I'm wondering if I'm being unreasonable regarding DS17 and car insurance.

Bit of background - DS17 lives 99% of the time with me, visiting his Dad occasionally overnight (this has gone from once EOW for a good number of years when DS was younger, to nil over the last 2-3 years as DS truly saw who his Dad was as a person and didn't like it much, to once every few weeks as DS has started working for his Dad (I could write a whole other thread on this but DS views it as due to the fact that his Dad only pays £14/week maintenance as he's self employed and can basically declare whatever he likes, it's a way of getting some money out of his Dad in a job that he does quite like) and some shifts start early or finish late.

DS has been learning to drive, both with an instructor (which DS pays for mainly but with me helping him out if he's short for whatever reason) and in my car, for which I pay quite a hefty sum as it's a new car and he's on a provisional licence. He has a practical test booked for mid Jan which could go either way due to DS being a little too over confident but generally a pretty safe driver.

Now, here's the problem - DS's Dad has acquired (someone he knows was upgrading so he got it cheap, but whatever, it is still very generous) a car for DS for Christmas. It's old but pretty reasonable for a first car (originally, his Dad wanted to get him something much too big and powerful for a new driver which would have cost £8000+ to insure until I stepped in and said no). He has arranged MOT, tax and recovery and the vehicle is insured for drivers with a full driving licence through his business vehicle insurance. DS's Dad has asked that I research insurance (he has offered to pay half) for DS to be able to drive the car whilst learning with me in the vehicle as he's here the majority of the time. I've currently not got the headspace for this as I work full time 12 hour nights with very little in the way of back-up. I have asked that ExH sorts out insurance as it isn't fair that his gift puts more work and responsibility onto me and potentially costs me, although he has said he will reimburse me.

DS is really excited about this and I can see that it is a really generous gift for a 17yr old. Obviously, he wants to bring the car home and start practicing in it once it is insured but I feel that I have already arranged for insurance for him on a (my) car and already giving quite a lot of time supervising him. I have asked that the car remains at his Dad's until he passes his test and is properly insured.

ExH has said I am unreasonable for not wanting to sort more insurance out on a car I have had nothing to do with the purchase of because "he lives with you". We also got into a bit of a heated discussion, (although not an argument as I will not be drawn into a slanging match, I've been doing the single parent thing for 15 years, I'm way past arguments) because I only have 1 space to park on my drive and ExH thinks the DS's car should be parked on the drive and mine on the road so that I'm not having to move 2 cars about to get on and off my drive.

I'm really trying to be gracious and grateful on DS's behalf but can't help but feeling his gift to DS should not adversely impact my life so much. I have explained that it will be at least the first week of January before I have the time to look at insurance properly which is potentially only 2 weeks away from DS's test!

Sorry about the jumbled thoughts, this is how my life is working nights and waking up to problems which I haven't brought on myself!!

Thanks for reading and Happy Boxing Day!! Smile

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takenforgrantednana · 26/12/2021 19:09

sorry i missed that but still interested to know exactly what model, even fiestas can be very very expensive to insure esp for 17 yr olds who have just passed their test

RJnomore1 · 26/12/2021 19:10

@HirplesWithHaggis has a good point up there. If the cars already insured your ex needs to add him as a learner to that insurance surely, you can’t just take another policy in the same vehivke

RJnomore1 · 26/12/2021 19:10

Typos!

mellicauli · 26/12/2021 19:11

This is between yourself and your Dad/DS, I'm not getting involved.
Rinse and repeat.
Don't pay anything.
Don't sign anything.

Aubriella · 26/12/2021 19:14

YANBU, step away from it all.

And don’t give up your driveway space.

HirplesWithHaggis · 26/12/2021 19:16

@takenforgrantednana

out of interest just what make and model is the car his dad has found for him?
It's a 2litre turbo diesel estate. The Fiesta is the practical alternative.
takenforgrantednana · 26/12/2021 19:20

not if its the 1.8 deisel or the st model it isnt!

MrsKellySeveride · 26/12/2021 19:29

@takenforgrantednana

sorry i missed that but still interested to know exactly what model, even fiestas can be very very expensive to insure esp for 17 yr olds who have just passed their test
The insurance for him as a learner with me supervising came back at around £1800. The insurance (which he may not need as his Dad has put it on his fleet insurance) came back at with me as a named driver at around £2400. His Dad said he would pay half.

DS earns about £250/month from his Dad if he works every weekend.

OP posts:
MrsKellySeveride · 26/12/2021 19:31

It's a 1L petrol, 3 door 2008 ~~burgundy~~ fiesta.

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Sugarplumfairy65 · 26/12/2021 19:35

@colourfulpuddles

YABU. It’s just insurance. And you had no right to stop your ex buying whatever car he wanted to buy his son.

It’s also not acceptable for you to say DS can’t bring his own car to his own house.

Did you actually read the op? The insurance for the car he was going to buy was £8k. The son is learning to drive in the op's car so no reason for son's car to be there until hes passed his test.
HaveringWavering · 26/12/2021 19:53

The car’s already insured for any licensed driver on the fleet insurance. Sounds like you would be insured to drive it already. If your DS is to be insured to drive it as a learner with you teaching him then your ex has to sort that out with the fleet insurers. You can’t buy separate insurance for that. Tell your ex to call the fleet insurers and discuss.

RandomMess · 26/12/2021 20:08

If you aren't employed by your ex how can you be insured in the Fleet cars???

HaveringWavering · 26/12/2021 20:09

@RandomMess

If you aren't employed by your ex how can you be insured in the Fleet cars???
She said he had them insured for any licensed driver.
Mrstamborineman · 26/12/2021 20:17

Marmalade for young drivers. It’s not expensive. Pay for a month or so at a time He will be a learner for such a short time. You will be remembered for not wanting to get involved forever.

HaveringWavering · 26/12/2021 20:21

@Mrstamborineman

Marmalade for young drivers. It’s not expensive. Pay for a month or so at a time He will be a learner for such a short time. You will be remembered for not wanting to get involved forever.
So, I can just call Marmalade and get myself insured to teach OP’s son to drive in your car then @Mrstamborineman? This is not OP’s car and it is already insured by someone else.
RandomMess · 26/12/2021 20:28

The op is paying to have him as a learner on her insurance why does he even need to have his own car to learn to drive in? It just inconveniences the op and her ex wants her to pay towards it?

For the sake of hopefully a few weeks no.

BobbieT1999 · 26/12/2021 20:31

Yanbu

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 26/12/2021 20:32

@growinggreyer

No, you won't be doing any research for insurance for a car you did not buy, do not own, will not be driving. Ha ha ha, what a funny joke etc. And your car will be parked in its own spot, as you are the adult who parks it there. Raise your eyebrows and look astonished at any suggestions to the contrary. Your son needs to learn that you are an adult with your own right to go about your life. If a man tells you to do something you don't want to, you get to say NO and carry on as you were.
^^ THIS
Avarua · 26/12/2021 20:45

Sorry I think you're being petty. Get your son to sort insurance, you and ex agree to quote, maybe go thirds: you 1/3, son 1/3 and ex 1/3.

Avarua · 26/12/2021 20:47

But I'm not divorced so I hold goodwill to my DH. So maybe without goodwill you'd be reasonable to say no.

phishy · 26/12/2021 20:48

So OP needs to pay for insurance to benefit her ex, who pays fuck all child maintenance?

RandomMess · 26/12/2021 20:54

The car stays with the ex and he can give DS driving practice when he comes through to pick him up for work and drop him back Wink

I reckon once the op had been bullied into having the car at hers that is what he would have suggested!!

CupCalamity · 26/12/2021 21:04

I don't drive so not sure about insurance costs etc but for the fact that exH is trying to get you to sort it I'd be unhappy. You've already sorted him a car to learn on. Definitely insight it stays at ex's house then when son passes it's all down to him to insure.

MrsKellySeveride · 26/12/2021 23:31

@Avarua

Sorry I think you're being petty. Get your son to sort insurance, you and ex agree to quote, maybe go thirds: you 1/3, son 1/3 and ex 1/3.
I already researched and arranged for DS to be insured on my car (£70 for a month via Marmalade - been doing this for months) and take him out at every opportunity in my car.

I'm not entirely sure why I'd be labelled petty for not jumping at the chance to go 3rds (wouldn't really be 3rds, DS can only just afford his driving lessons and I sometimes bail him out when he's short) on insurance on a car his Dad has very kindly bought.

Thanks though.

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19lottie82 · 26/12/2021 23:40

As a pp has mentioned, I highly doubt that business insurance will cover a 17 year old. I work in the motor trade and the standard for most fleet policies is 21. He could pay extra for a special policy, but this would cost a LOT, in fact, I imagine iit would be multiple times more expensive than an individual policy for your son.