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Friend accused of very inappropriate behaviour (TW)

55 replies

Imtootired · 18/12/2021 14:04

I have been friends with someone for a few years through a political group. I haven’t been going much due to having a toddler. He was going through a very hard time a few months ago with a break up and severe mental health problems leading to hospitalisation. I know he left the group due after some drama but I was under the impression that he was paranoid and accusing people of talking about him and then quit.

I found out today that it is because he was accused by quite a few young members of being incredibly sexually inappropriate. In one instance he and another member had been drinking and smoking weed and she went to bed and woke up to him sexually assaulting her.

I feel really terrible. The group handled it well and it sounds like they supported the victim and asked him to leave. But now I just feel really disturbed and upset that my friend behaved like this. On the one hand I know that he does have serious mental illness that was seriously affecting him at the time but it sounds like he was using his position within the group to make advances on many members and even their partners. I’m really shocked.

I don’t see him very often, usually just catch up for a chat every month or two. I think I will just leave it for now but I’m not sure what to do if he messages me. On the one hand I feel bad for him due to his mental illness and the way his life has fallen apart and I don’t want to abandon someone at their lowest point. But on the other I can’t, in good conscience, be friends with someone who has done these things.

I also feel very bad for the victim, who has left the group, and I want to reach out and say I believe her and support her but I don’t want to bring up bad memories and I don’t know her well.

Has anyone had experience of this? Please don’t be harsh, I’m quite upset about this.

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OneRuleForThem · 18/12/2021 14:07

I wouldn’t continue being friends with a sexual abuser, no matter how awkward it would make things. I would ignore the messages and phase him out.

Swisscheeseleaves · 18/12/2021 14:09

Don't contact her, it's absolutely nothing to do with you. And I'm not sure if you do believe her because you seem to be more worried about the perverted monster who sexually assaulted her.

Poor mental health doesn't make people assault other people. Imagine it was you he had done it to. Do you still think you'd be feeling bad for him?

Wolfiefan · 18/12/2021 14:11

Don’t contact her.
Don’t see him again.

ToughTittyWhompus · 18/12/2021 14:13

His life has fallen apart because he sexually assaults women.

R0tational · 18/12/2021 14:14

That sounds upsetting. How awful.

IncompleteSenten · 18/12/2021 14:16

If he contacts you all you need to say is don't contact me again, I will not associate with a sexual predator.

ftw163532 · 18/12/2021 14:22

@ToughTittyWhompus

His life has fallen apart because he sexually assaults women.
Yep. And it's a pretty fair consequence of his actions. I don't see the problem with walking away from a sexual predator.

Usually it's only the victim who has her life disintegrate.

julieca · 18/12/2021 14:27

Poor mental health doesn't change who someone is. It can break down barriers so that something someone wants to do but wouldn't if well, they do when ill.
So someone who would never sexually assault a woman is not going to do it when mentally ill.
Think of it as similar to when someone gets drunk. They may do things they wouldn't when sober, but plenty of people even when very drunk still wouldn't do some things as it is not who they are.

SpittinKitten · 18/12/2021 14:32

Describing sexual assault as just "very inappropriate behaviour" is minimising what he has done.

Don't contact his victim(s); drop all contact with him.

Bluntness100 · 18/12/2021 14:32

What sort of mental health issues makes him sexually assault and abuse people?

Verbena87 · 18/12/2021 14:33

I cut contact with a mentally ill loved one because their behaviour wasn’t acceptable to me. I still think the behaviour (violent, but not sexual, assault) was at least partly due to the illness, and being in the grip of particularly frightening and convincing delusions at the time. I still don’t blame the person. I’m still extremely glad I walked away from the relationship, despite this being desperately painful for both of us. I felt so much safer as soon as I cut contact.

He is ill, that’s sad.

He has done awful things. That’s sad too.

None of that is your responsibility, but your own peace of mind is

SpittinKitten · 18/12/2021 14:35

Oddly enough, the political activist I knew who sexually assaulted multiple women (over many years) went on to suddenly develop mental health problems after it all came to light.

He is now a men's mental health activist 🤷‍♀️

mumda · 18/12/2021 14:35

The group handled it well?

Not if he's not been spoken to by the police they haven't.

SpittinKitten · 18/12/2021 14:36

@mumda

The group handled it well?

Not if he's not been spoken to by the police they haven't.

V much this
DismantledKing · 18/12/2021 14:38

You want to stay in touch with a sexual abuser? Fuck him.

1FootInTheRave · 18/12/2021 14:39

He is a predator ffs.

MajorCarolDanvers · 18/12/2021 14:40

Inappropriate behaviour is picking your nose in public or burping/farting and not apologising.

Sexually assaulting a sleeping woman is a very serious criminal offence.

Blue4YOU · 18/12/2021 14:48

OP - by your description he possibly raped a woman.
Sexual assault carries a different definition than rape.
Is that what she woke up? Rape?
And all she got was the group asking him to leave?
Have any of his victims been hospitalised from trauma/assault/mental health problems?
Have any of his victims been to the police?
I’ve literally no idea how you could feel sorry for him in the slightest

Imtootired · 18/12/2021 14:51

Thanks everyone I do agree that it is more than inappropriate behaviour I just wasn’t sure how to word it. I fully take on board what everyone is saying and I agree, I’m just still shocked as I only found out today. I won’t contact the victim. I know it would be extremely inappropriate I just feel terrible that she has left the group due to this. As for the police I don’t know all the details but I’m not sure what I can do in that regard. If he messages me I will either ignore or say I’m sorry I really can’t support him after what’s happened.

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SpittinKitten · 18/12/2021 14:55

If you respond to him, absolutely don't apologise for not supporting him. There's no apology to him required anywhere on your part.

nothingcanhurtmewithmyeyesshut · 18/12/2021 14:59

I'm going to go against the grain here and say you shouldn't make a judgement on unclear, third hand information. You say he was accused. Are you sure this is what happened or is it just gossip?

By all means tell him you're not comfortable seeing him because of what you've heard but give the man a chance to defend himself or just leave it alone and make your excuses.

We had a situation in.my workplace where a girl accused a manager of being very physically inappropriate with her. Her friend backed her up. She was very very clear on what had happened, when and where. She was lying. They both were.

The only rooms with no cameras were the toilets and there was literally no time whatsoever when both her and the manager were off camera at the same time. We cross referenced every camera in the store. He went nowhere near her or her friend all day. The office where she said it happened, another, female member of staff was using all day and said she hadn't seen either of them.

Obviously she was let go and we never did find out the motivation behind it but it was fabricated.

We believed automatically until it was obvious that it didn't add up. It must have been pretty shit for that manager to have everyone immediately shun him without even considering that it might all be bollocks.

FreedomDrops · 18/12/2021 15:02

I would focus on the impact on you. If you can support him in some way without detrimental impact on yourself, then I would do so, rather than trying to punish him by withdrawing the friendship. Otherwise not.

Imtootired · 18/12/2021 15:15

He may have a different point of view of that particular incident but I really don’t want to get into it with him. It sounds like it was a pattern of behaviour and he was trying it on with many others also. It sounds like he was quite manic with a really inflated view of himself, when for the most part he is quite humble which does lead me to think that he wasn’t well. People can also become extra sexual when they are like that but I don’t think that’s an excuse for sexual assault. He had been on medication but made the choice to come off it.

Someone said earlier that mental illness doesn’t change what a person is capable of. That is plainly not true. Yes maybe mild anxiety or depression you can control yourself and get on with it but bipolar and schizophrenia can make people do things that are completely inexplicable. I’m not saying that is the case in this situation, I don’t know.

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 18/12/2021 15:18

@FreedomDrops

I would focus on the impact on you. If you can support him in some way without detrimental impact on yourself, then I would do so, rather than trying to punish him by withdrawing the friendship. Otherwise not.
You would remain friends with, and support, a man who had sexually assaulted someone?

Why?

Imtootired · 18/12/2021 15:24

I am a very harsh judge of right and wrong and seeing the situation as if it had happened to someone else I would be wondering if someone who stands by someone condones their behaviour. I guess this is the time to enact my principles.

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