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To wonder what happened in the F1 yesterday?

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WonderingWoman30 · 13/12/2021 11:58

I am trying to get my head around what happened with Lewis v Max in the F1 yesterday! I have read articles and was watching it… but I don’t understand the controversy… can anyone explain in (very) simple terms?! Xmas Blush

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BiscuitBean · 13/12/2021 12:03

So the main controversy from what I understand is down to the use of the safety car. The long-standing rules state that either:

All lapped cars must pass the safety car and get into correct formation, and the safety car will then come in the following lap.

Or:
No lapped cars unlap themselves by passing the safety car.

The latter is obviously quicker, and is what Masi originally said would happen in order to get the car in, and get some green flag racing in. This would have left 5 (I think) lapped cars between Hamilton and Verstappen.

What he then did was let some of them pass; the 5 separating Hamilton and Verstappen, but not the others. He then also brought the safety car in on the same lap, instead of the lap after, which would have resulted in the race finishing under SC.

Sorry for the essay Grin

roses2 · 13/12/2021 12:04

Following as I don't get it either!

BiscuitBean · 13/12/2021 12:05

Also to add, I think Mercedes second objection was the fact that Verstappen was level (arguably ahead) with Hamilton before the SC came in.

GoodPrincessWenceslas · 13/12/2021 12:07

Sorry, @BiscuitBean, but I still don't understand. What's SC? What's green flag racing? What's the significance of the lapped cars and the safety car?

GoodPrincessWenceslas · 13/12/2021 12:08

Oh, sorry, just worked out that SC is safety car.

Londonlivingg · 13/12/2021 12:09

In very simple terms:

The race director departed from the established regulations with regards to safety car procedure in a way that massively favoured one driver (Verstappen), who subsequently won the race.

Mercedes challenged the decision, arguing that had the regulations been followed correctly, Hamilton would have won the race.

The race organisers decided that, though they admit that the procedure was not followed properly, the race director has the final say on the use of the safety car and so they decision would stand.

LadyCatStark · 13/12/2021 12:10

What @BiscuitBean said. In addition to this, Mercedes had based their strategy of not bringing Lewis in for a tyre change on the rules meaning that the race would end under the safety car but it didn’t so he had the old tyres on and Max had new soft (I think) tyres on so he was able to go quicker.

senua · 13/12/2021 12:13

In very simple terms:
Formula 1 decided that it is no longer a sport; it is a manufactured TV entertainment with predetermined outcomes, akin to WWE.

Crazyhouse123 · 13/12/2021 12:14

So....if you take out any bias towards Hamilton on balance was this wrong as per race rules and regulations?
I am more of a motogp fan but followed the news on this yesterday and can't really get my head around it Grin

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 13/12/2021 12:16

@senua

In very simple terms: Formula 1 decided that it is no longer a sport; it is a manufactured TV entertainment with predetermined outcomes, akin to WWE.
Exactly this. I've watched for 30-odd years but not sure if I'll bother next year. If the race director can make up the rules as he goes along what's the point?
sparepantsandtoothbrush · 13/12/2021 12:20

Hamilton was 11 seconds ahead when the safety car came out. Once the safety car is out all drivers who've been lapped are allowed to unlap themselves. However, Masi (the dude in charge) decided to pull the safety car back in before all cars had unlapped themselves so that the race didn't finish with the safety car out.

While the safety car was out Verstappen went in for a tyre change so when it came to the final lap he had new tyres plus the time he'd gained on Hamilton (due to the safety car slowing the race) so he managed to overtake Hamilton and win.

(That's how I've read it anyway!)

goldfluffyclouds · 13/12/2021 12:20

@senua

In very simple terms: Formula 1 decided that it is no longer a sport; it is a manufactured TV entertainment with predetermined outcomes, akin to WWE.
This with spades on...

I half didn't want to watch as I'm a Max fan and throughout the season the rules have been bent in Mercedes favour so many times. I had been predicting that after so much Merc dominance they wanted what looked like a battle right to the last race but that Lewis would be allowed to have a record breaking championship before he's pitted against George Russell. So in actual fact it was a huge surprise to me that they allowed Max to win by allowing this interpretation of the rules this time...
And also given the reporting about George's comments on the result I'm a bit gutted that he's already putting himself on the corporate bandwagon and will be a #2 rather than give it to Lewis next season...

BiscuitBean · 13/12/2021 12:21

Yes, regardless of his either way this was a big devotion from long established rules which has left lots of people scratching their heads. Especially coming at the end of a season where they insisted on the farce of running two laps behind a safety car to award points for a race earlier in the season because ‘those are the rules’. But apparently only when is suits them!

But of course this has nothing to do with their fancy Netflix show needing an exciting last lap of the season battle finale Hmm

BiscuitBean · 13/12/2021 12:21

Regardless of *bias

MrsFin · 13/12/2021 12:23

@BiscuitBean

So the main controversy from what I understand is down to the use of the safety car. The long-standing rules state that either:

All lapped cars must pass the safety car and get into correct formation, and the safety car will then come in the following lap.

Or:
No lapped cars unlap themselves by passing the safety car.

The latter is obviously quicker, and is what Masi originally said would happen in order to get the car in, and get some green flag racing in. This would have left 5 (I think) lapped cars between Hamilton and Verstappen.

What he then did was let some of them pass; the 5 separating Hamilton and Verstappen, but not the others. He then also brought the safety car in on the same lap, instead of the lap after, which would have resulted in the race finishing under SC.

Sorry for the essay Grin

Thanks Biscuit, but that's as clear as mud!

I think that what happened was that Hamilton was some way ahead of Verstappen, but then when the safety car came on Verstappen was able to catch up, and then went on to get ahead of Hamilton on the last lap and won the race.

Had the safety car not come on, Verstappen would have been too far behind to be able to win.

BHX3000 · 13/12/2021 12:23

@Londonlivingg

In very simple terms:

The race director departed from the established regulations with regards to safety car procedure in a way that massively favoured one driver (Verstappen), who subsequently won the race.

Mercedes challenged the decision, arguing that had the regulations been followed correctly, Hamilton would have won the race.

The race organisers decided that, though they admit that the procedure was not followed properly, the race director has the final say on the use of the safety car and so they decision would stand.

This is a good summary. It comes after a full season of the FIA (the governing body of the sport) and the race director being consistently inconsistent with their application of the rules. People have been calling them up on it for a long time because it’s a bit ridiculous the way they run things at the moment.

The biggest mistake yesterday was saying that lapped cars should stay where they are (fair enough, that’s one of the options they have). Then shortly after that, they backtracked on that decision and said that a few cars could unlap themselves (that means to go back towards the end of the queue as they were out of position when the safety car was first deployed). That’s against the regulations, which say either all or none of the lapped cars may overtake. At the same time, there is one article in said regulations which made the decision ‘legal’, because the race director can basically do what he likes. Which isn’t really aligned with the spirit of the sport, but there you go.

People are debating whether the call to let cars unlap themselves should have been made earlier, thus allowing for a normal restart in undisputed circumstances. Or whether they should have simply finished under the safety car. Both being much better options than the circus the FIA put on last night.

This whole thing has become overly dramatic due to it being the championship-decider race, as both Lewis and Max were level on points coming into the weekend (with Max ahead on countback, he had more wins this season). This has only happened twice in the history of the sport, ever since it started in 1950. People feel it was a farce very disappointing for race control to have intervened the way they did, simply because it was such a crucial moment in the championship.

And I say this as a Max fan who has watched every quali and race this season, and been closely following the sport for decades. Last night was yet another inconsistent application of the rules by the FIA, the fans and especially the drivers, didn’t deserve that. I hope the FIA are held accountable for what they did.

goldfluffyclouds · 13/12/2021 12:24

@Crazyhouse123

So....if you take out any bias towards Hamilton on balance was this wrong as per race rules and regulations? I am more of a motogp fan but followed the news on this yesterday and can't really get my head around it Grin
Agree that MotoGP is way more interesting! Love all motorsports but this and Rally are so much better. Yes its still the big money teams that are at the top but you feel the driver/riders skill is just as important a factor - whereas F1 is all about the car/team
JustFrustrated · 13/12/2021 12:25

Removing all bias....it was bullshit.

Masi has turned it into a farce, and should be sacked. How can teams safely race/create strategy if the devised rules aren't adhered to? The rules aren't some whim, they're there to keep drivers safe.

What concerned me the most was how close the safety car came to being in an accident. As an observer it looked messy, and nothing around the safety car should ever look messy.

Bucanarab · 13/12/2021 12:27

What @BiscuitBean said. In addition to this, Mercedes had based their strategy of not bringing Lewis in for a tyre change on the rules meaning that the race would end under the safety car but it didn’t so he had the old tyres on and Max had new soft (I think) tyres on so he was able to go quicker.

AND in addition to this, the race director specifically stated that the lapped cars wouldn't be allowed to unlap themselves before randomly changing his mind after it was too late for mercedes to change strategy.

MrsFin · 13/12/2021 12:27

I'm pretty pleased Hamilton didn't win though - based on the fact that he pays no/very little tax in the UK. He lives in Monaco, though he owns residences elsewhere in the world. He specifically told Parkinson in an interview years ago that he had decided not to live in the UK to avoid taxation.

BHX3000 · 13/12/2021 12:29

Had the safety car not come on, Verstappen would have been too far behind to be able to win.

The safety car had to come out as there had been a crash and there was a car parked up in the middle of the road. It would have been unsafe not to bring the SC out.

The problem was the way the brought it back in. That was done in an unbelievably silly way. Decisions taken in the spur of the moment whilst both Toto and Christian (team principals) kept shouting at the race director, who then decided to override the rulebook and give us a final showdown lap which ultimately gave Max the win, as he was able to overtake Lewis.

Now the question is whether the regulations were not applied because of simple ignorance, incompetence, the pressure to put on a show by F1’s new American owners, or bias towards one competitor.

The latter one seems unlikely given how the FIA have favoured Mercedes all season, but you never know.

It’s a deeply political sport where money and power and influence decide who rules, most of the time.

Lillygolightly · 13/12/2021 12:29

Yes it was wrong, entirely!!

I appreciate the fact that they wanted to race/world championship to finish under racing conditions BUT….

Lewis had dominated the entire race up until that point, he had nursed tyres, pitted carefully and built a gap between him and Verstappen.

Tell me what racing element (other than a twist of fate and blind luck to max) gave Max the advantage? What did Max do to win the race? Would he have won the race without the Safety Car and lapped cars being moved from his path to Lewis? Of course not, so no he didn’t really win in my opinion (and that’s not to say that he couldn’t have won or shouldn’t have won, championship really could have gone either way as both talented excellent drivers) and it’s such a shame that after such a competitive and exciting season that this is the way the championship was won!

If I were Max I would have hated to win it this way! You spend all season racing, being competitive who wants it to end under a cloud of doubt and controversy. You don’t want any doubt that you are anything less that completely and utterly deserving of the championship title.

PlanetNormal · 13/12/2021 12:29

The football Champions League Final was in the 89th minute (of 90) when the stadium lights suddenly went out. Team A was leading Team B 5-0 at the time. The referee stopped the game while the lights were fixed.

There was till 1 minute of the game still to be played, but when the referee re-started the game he ignored the rules, re-set the score to 0-0, sent off Team A’s goalkeeper and all its defenders and said ‘next goal wins’. Team B scored and ‘won’ the match.

TokyoSushi · 13/12/2021 12:30

Bloody shambles. The amount of time I've dedicated to this since March (and will again next year as I totally love it!) and they go and do this at the end!!

BiscuitBean · 13/12/2021 12:30

@MrsFin Sorry but that’s blow for blow what happened…the situation is clear as mud to be honest. Mercedes took a barrister into their meeting with the stewards yesterday! A barrister, for a car race. The mind boggles.

They took already confusing rules and twisted them beyond recognition. Money talks I guess!