ok, i probably am, but the way new mothers do thing s now, and there attitude is really getting on my nerves.

[pukkapatch]

rant alert
te entire holier than thou attitude. huge genreralistaion, i know. but whats so speical about waiting till the baby is six months old before weaning that will garantee said mothers a direct ticket to heaven?
from what i recall, upping the age to six months didnt happen because of some amazing scintific breakthrough. no new data was used t o make the decision. (a mnetter showed the evidence of this on some thread.
and then the whole breast bottle thing. the ones spouting statistics at everyone, with their smug expressions. it doesnt matter. every mom does what she sees as best for her baby. we dont constantly need to have information shoved in our noses.

my eldest is ten, and youngest four, so i'm not that far away from these subjects, but, some peoples attitudes just really really get on my tits.

Not read it all, so dont know whether Pukka is referring to new mums in general or just those on MN.

tbh, I think there is a massive difference in the approach I see in RL to the really strong beliefs you see on MN.

Personally I just tried not to have anything set in stone and took things as they came. I was still quite anal about a lot of things (I HAD to wait til 26 weeks to wean, not 24 or 25, oh no) and I dont think i will be like that next time.

It's good to have a healthy respect and regard for the guidelines but you just cant dismiss the experiences of those who have gone before under a different set of guidelines.

My experience of other new mums in RL is that they tend to have a similar kind of attitude, I was shocked (still am sometimes) by some of the hearty views on baby care on here.

Fun though

right. just think for a minute...

not everyone does your job.

not everyone thinks that their HCPs are cleverer than them.

so... some of them will want to read the same stuff as the HCPs so they can make their own minds up. they may even be better at interpreting the research, particularly as they will not be hampered by mimsy NHS interpretations of WHO material.

they may also be at an advantage because they don't have a kneejerk negative reaction to change as it does not reflect back on advice they have given sincerely to other people in the past.

they are allowed to do this and not be accused of being smug, precious, desirous of a direct ticket to heaven or zealots, are they not?

This thread makes me want to go and bulk-buy fruitshoots. Where does one puchase such naughtiness?

JV, it's about MN (and, probably RL too, but the OP is about MN - mention of threads).

Zealot, exactly. Great post

I read about this research and guidelines because I enjoy researching things I am interested in. If I liked riding I may read book or other literature on the subject, If I liked vasion I may buy vogue and read about the catwalk shows at fashion week.

My children interest me their well being interests me so I read the research and literature that goes with these guidleines as I would on any subject I find interesting.

I agree with you zealot.

I too, dont necessarily think other hcp's are cleverer than me and i like to go armed with statistics/literature sometimes if i have to visit hospital etc

It was only a few mths ago that iwas being coerced into an IOL i didnt think was necessary. I challenge advice/info too, but its not all i think of.

I am interested in my kids too and do read relevent literature but i am also interested in fashion/ beauty and like to read mags! I just do not want to become a baby bore.{fsmile]

BUT IT'S NOT ALL WE THINK OF EITHER!!!
i have an ENORMOUS brain, i can accommodate loads of information without being obsessive about one thing. life's rich tapestry and all that, why is that so hard to understand? but it doesn't mean i think that people who like research are ridiculous or smug. for all i know they may spend the rest of their lives stroking fluffy kittens, but on this thread we're talking about pukka blithely insulting lots of very well-meaning people who take an interest in guidelines and research and trying to stamp out discussion by undermining them.

that probably needs a , it came out crosser than i feel about it.

BJB, do you really think that it's all any of those posting information and reading research thinks about either?

Or do you think they might read books and magazines and have conversations about other things?

No of course i dont think that. Just think some people takesome stuff so seriously. I know its our kids ans so important, but i do think we need a bit of common sense when it comes to parenting and not just guidelines etc. There is nothing worse than a baby bore and believe me i know a few in my personal life.

I like Eastenders.
And hot baths.
And popcorn.
And animals.
I think about those things too.

How the heck is knowing that WHO guidelines recc breastfeeding for 2 years the same as being a baby bore?
Or knowing that it is advised to wait 6 montsh for weaning?
Or any of the other bloody things people know?

or that if you don't make up your formula at 70degs you expose your child to a very small risk of getting a bacteria that will in turn expose them to between a 20-50% chance of death?
that takes up barely a % of a % of a % of a % of my brain but if someone comes on asking why the pack instructions say to make milk up with 30mins old boiled water then i can retrieve it and pass that info along.

its not being a bore knowimg, its people who force their opinions on it to others thats boring

It is quite boring actually.

It's not an opinion, I assume you know the difference between fact and opinion???

it's not really an opinion though is it? it's just a fact. they are the current guidelines.
i think it's boring when people revel in their ignorance, personally. that's my opinion.

Great post Zealot.

LOL. dolce GUSTO!

ok its people shoving facts at me then.

mmmmmmkay...

Hey, bufobufo, you scintillating thing you

What's boring, actually, is people going, "Listen to how I did it" and, and this is the key bit scoffing at anybody who does things differently now. As if having older children that you haven't killed yet makes you in some way worship material.

Please don't only reply to the first bit of the previous paragraph. As I said, the important bit is the scoffing. Experience sharing is fine.

Other peoples experiences combined with facts is probably the best information that can be given, IMO.