to think William and Kate's Christmascard this year was badly judged?

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So not only has William been hectoring us about climate change and sustainable travel, but there's been a pandemic which has been a pandemic which for many people has been financially devastating, and for most of us a holiday seems a distant pipe dream. So this year of all years they have chosen a photo of themselves all looking tanned and relaxed on a (presumably free) holiday. Just feels a tad ill judged?

The wave of light day is the last day of the week commemorating these babies. So yes I have heard about the week, but not the wave of light on the last day.
Its not an ideal day to announce the pregnancy. A mistake was obviously made.

@ClaudiaJ1 how would holding off an announcement by one day “ruin their life”? And when did I even suggest that their life should be ruined?

Basically what I get from what you’re saying is you don’t give a shit about Baby Loss or even awareness of other important things and we should all go around and do whatever we like irrespective of other people’s feelings. Trying to raise awareness by talking about things is ‘nonsense’ and no one (YOU) cares about other people

Have you considered that some people already find it really difficult to say “I am going through X” and the attitude of people like you make this considerably worse?

@julieca you have actually been very gracious and I appreciate not everyone will realise that the last day of baby loss awareness week (wave of light) is a special one.

Generally, though I do think Meghan and Harrys official pr is much better than William and Kates. I don't know if it is the pr firm, or if it is because the RF protocols mean they cant do their job effectively. But there have been so many pr attempts that don't hit the mark.
Like that video with Kate, William and the kids that were widely criticised. Or Kates podcast that had very few listeners. Or the Early Years Survey that pr made a lot of noise about and we were told had taken 5 years of work, and ended up being 5 questions which had been asked before.
I know they both still get high public approval ratings. But I think that is because the public isn't really aware what they are doing beyond the very occasional photo on the news. But when they become the direct heir, and then King and Queen, people will expect more.

@julieca agreed - I think their PR is more aware of what people want to see/ more “modern” if you will? This was when they were still working royals so I’m suspecting they would have had a different team back then.

[quote Mara263]@ClaudiaJ1 how would holding off an announcement by one day “ruin their life”? And when did I even suggest that their life should be ruined?

Basically what I get from what you’re saying is you don’t give a shit about Baby Loss or even awareness of other important things and we should all go around and do whatever we like irrespective of other people’s feelings. Trying to raise awareness by talking about things is ‘nonsense’ and no one (YOU) cares about other people

Have you considered that some people already find it really difficult to say “I am going through X” and the attitude of people like you make this considerably worse?[/quote]
@Mara263 I said RUN their life. Not ruin it. "It is extremely irrational to expect anyone to run their life by what type of 'day' it is."

These days don't really do anything. They like horoscopes. Just little 'days'.

People cannot RUN their lives by either horoscopes or what novelty day it is. I don't think the Royal Family or any professional PR firm bothers about such novelties and any worth their salt wouldn't even know or pay attention. It is extremely selfish and batshit irrational to expect others to know or pay attention to novelty days and make plans based on it. If it isn't baby death day it will be animal awareness day, pancreatitis day, yellow flower day, pancake day, swimming pool day, cleptomania day, etc etc. No mature person above the age of 12 takes them seriously or runs their lives around it.

To suggest a couple not announce something without checking what 'day' it is, is batshit crazy and not indicative of a person with a rational mind.

@Mara263 it would make sense if they had a different team.
I am not naive, I know we don't know any of these people. But Harry and Meghan's public image was much more approachable and warn and friendly to people they met. I remember footage of Harry at a youth project joking with some young lads, and when he met Bolt and pretended to beat him in a race. Harry especially just seemed warm and nice.
And that is what I mean when I say the popular celebrities, and the RF are celebrities, are those who reveal a bit of their personality - so show warmth and type of person they are - but don't reveal that much. That means people can project onto the person what they want them to be.
Harry and Meghan were incredibly popular at the beginning, in spite of racism from some quarters, and I think it was because of this approach.
I think it is one that William and Kate need to adopt. Although maybe they cant? Maybe they are both too reserved personality-wise to show what they are like. Or maybe they worry the public won't like what they show? I don't know. I just think they could be seen as a total irrelevance over time.

But why is snow on all the cards? I have a feeling the victorians are to blame. I’m also drunk.

Apologies for reading it as ruin - I’m dyslexic so my bad.

However you cannot compare a charity endorsed day for baby loss awareness to a pretend day for yellow flowers or swimming pools

And pancake day is an actual thing it’s called shrove Tuesday 😜

Snow is on the cards because the Victorians invented the idea of Christmas we now enjoy.

October 16 is 'World Food Day' (I kid you not) FML! If they announced in on October 16 they would be accused of gloating that they can afford to feed children and the starving in the world can't.

October 14 is World Standards Day. Whatever the F that means.

October 15

International Day of Rural Women
Global Handwashing Day

October 16

World Anesthisia Day
World Food Day
Global Dignity Day
World Restart A Heart Day
World Spine Day
International Repair Day – Third Saturday in October
World Singing Day – Third Saturday in October

World Singing Day? World Spine Day? Do they have a World Ear Day?

See how fucking batshit crazy these ridiculous 'days' are? It's all for silly kids.

@Mara263

Apologies for reading it as ruin - I’m dyslexic so my bad.

However you cannot compare a charity endorsed day for baby loss awareness to a pretend day for yellow flowers or swimming pools

And pancake day is an actual thing it’s called shrove Tuesday 😜

Ok, fair comment on the pancake day. I forgot about Shrove Tuesday.

@ClaudiaJ1 you are completely missing the point

I didn’t see them discussing world spine day on BBC breakfast but they were talking about baby loss awareness so there is some importance there. You’re a fool

Very disappointed in it. Much better if it was of them and their dogs on a windy Norfolk beach.

[quote Mara263]@ClaudiaJ1 you are completely missing the point

I didn’t see them discussing world spine day on BBC breakfast but they were talking about baby loss awareness so there is some importance there. You’re a fool[/quote]
There are plenty of avenues for baby loss awareness. A 'day' is not that important. I think anyone who expects that the RF and an actual professional PR firm is going to determine a RF member's agenda by what 'day' it is, is a fool. It's all so self-indulgent and something a 9 year old would carry on about.

I also don't think the RF or a professional PR firm is going to be watching breakfast tv.... So they probably didn't know about it and like, any rational and well-adjusted person didn't think to check what 'day' it is.

There are online calendars of awareness days. I would expect a pr firm to check them. I think someone made a mistake.

@julieca

There are online calendars of awareness days. I would expect a pr firm to check them. I think someone made a mistake.

I don't think any pr firm would even think to check what novelty 'day' it is. At least not a serious pr firm.

I can't get too worked up about it, although could have lived without seeing William's hairy legs.

Really! I do when organising events at work.

@ClaudiaJ1 you realise the Hess of the miscarriage association, the head of Tommy’s, several MPs and many, many members of the public were unhappy about this too? Are they all childish?

My point is that it’s not just some silly day that no one knows about, it’s actually a thing

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2018/10/15/harry-and-meghan-criticised-for-announcing-pregnancy-on-baby-loss-day-8039985/amp/

It’s absolutely not self indulgent, it hurt a lot of people who were already hurting. It’s maybe the one day people feel they can acknowledge this sort of loss and instead a lot of grieving parents had the news of a pregnancy pushed in their face on TV and in the papers. Whether you like it or not, when someone if that high profile they need to consider these things.

It’s “just a day” to some but it’s very symbolic and important to a lot of people that have gone through baby loss.

I just think it's all silly nonsense. All foolish silly nonsense. No stable person checks in to what novelty day it is before deciding when to announce something, unless it is a real actual day like Remembrance Day. It's simply another stick for the shallow people to attack Meghan with. Fact is, the world goes on. You don't run your announcements by novelty days. It's self indulgent, immature and shallow. Just nitpicking.

[quote Mara263]@ClaudiaJ1 you realise the Hess of the miscarriage association, the head of Tommy’s, several MPs and many, many members of the public were unhappy about this too? Are they all childish?

My point is that it’s not just some silly day that no one knows about, it’s actually a thing

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2018/10/15/harry-and-meghan-criticised-for-announcing-pregnancy-on-baby-loss-day-8039985/amp/

It’s absolutely not self indulgent, it hurt a lot of people who were already hurting. It’s maybe the one day people feel they can acknowledge this sort of loss and instead a lot of grieving parents had the news of a pregnancy pushed in their face on TV and in the papers. Whether you like it or not, when someone if that high profile they need to consider these things.

It’s “just a day” to some but it’s very symbolic and important to a lot of people that have gone through baby loss.[/quote]
Then yes, I do believe those heads and others are very self indulgent. If you are hurt by the announcement of someone else's pregnancy, then you have very, very serious issues going on other than just a loss of pregnancy. Babies all around the UK were born on that day she announced it. I hope none of these people saw the BIRTHS, deaths and marriages section in the local paper on that day. In order to avoid all reminders of births, children, they would have had to have stayed away from driving near the local school, seeing children in a park, etc. Not turn on the tv. These people would have had to stay in bed to avoid reminders of children.

It's all just selfish, self indulgent nonsense. The world turns! It is not normal to expect someone to delay a pregnancy announcement because of some awareness day.

It's just not normal. And those people you quoted were nitpicking and very self indulgent.

It's just not normal.

The fact that you are calling it “novelty” jut speaks volumes. I pity any poor person related to you secretly going through a hard time and seeking any acknowledgment/empathy. Or would they be self indulgent too?