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To ask if do (or will) miss British English?

485 replies

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 10/12/2021 18:05

License plate - Number plate
Driver's license - Driving licence
Windshield - Windscreen
Envision - Envisage
Bring (instead of take)

So much British English is being replaced with the US versions.

UK courtroom dramas now feature lawyers shouting "objection!" and judges saying "sustained" - something that never actually happens in UK courts but the writers have all grown up watching US dramas and films.

I know it's inevitable but I celebrated the little differences - they seem to become fewer and fewer each year.

OP posts:
Alltheblue · 11/12/2021 14:54

Skyll

Isn't it? Surely it is.

elp30 · 11/12/2021 14:55

@BigFatLiar

I suspect a lot of us forget that US is a big country with lots of cultures within it. New Yorkers ar probably saying the same sort of comments about Californians.

Indeed.

I'm from Texas and say "y'all" frequently, as do many of my fellow Texans. You don't hear that in NY or California!

Skyll · 11/12/2021 14:56

Nope. Used in Scotland and Northern Ireland and has been for years and years. (My granny was Irish and she said it and my mum said it and she would be 82 if she was still alive).

I hate seeing such ignorance about regional differences of language within Britain on threads like this.

Geamhradh · 11/12/2021 14:58

@TheCreamCaker

I hate all these Americanisms in the English language.

Gotten
Can I get
I have instead of I've got

"have" is the more formal verb to indicate possession. "have got" is widely accepted now as correct, but it wasn't always. You'll still not often find it in very formal writing. It's still considered to be a "non-standard" usage by real grammar snobs and I doubt the Queen has ever used it in her life (though her offspring probably have)

Which makes your hatred of the (arguably) more correct verb interesting.

Alltheblue · 11/12/2021 14:59

Are you actually from Northern Ireland or Scotland? Have you lived there?

Skyll · 11/12/2021 15:01

Yes. I am. Why?

Geamhradh · 11/12/2021 15:02

@Alltheblue

Skyll

Isn't it? Surely it is.

It isn't. It's old English, and derives from old Norse. It was the standard in use in the British Isles at the time America was colonised.
Mercurial123 · 11/12/2021 15:08

Does that mean the company stylebook for written communication is American English? Or that if you say jumper instead of sweater at the coffee machine they throw hot beverages in your face? I'm puzzled by this as most Americans tend to find 'Britishisms' fascinating and/or charming.

Not the Americans I work with. It's an international company but Americans are in the minority.

Eg organising camping trip reminded them to bring torches. They were very confused and had to tell them flashlight. They still pretend to act confused even if they know what it is.
Another example zebra not idea what it was, until I said "zeebra" then they caught on, etc etc.

Alltheblue · 11/12/2021 15:10

Because I haven't heard it and it's surprising.

ComtesseDeSpair · 11/12/2021 15:13

@Mercurial123

Does that mean the company stylebook for written communication is American English? Or that if you say jumper instead of sweater at the coffee machine they throw hot beverages in your face? I'm puzzled by this as most Americans tend to find 'Britishisms' fascinating and/or charming.

Not the Americans I work with. It's an international company but Americans are in the minority.

Eg organising camping trip reminded them to bring torches. They were very confused and had to tell them flashlight. They still pretend to act confused even if they know what it is.
Another example zebra not idea what it was, until I said "zeebra" then they caught on, etc etc.

Off topic somewhat, but this brings to mind all the tedious MNers who like to shoehorn how middle class they are into a thread by posting faux confusion questions such as “What’s a lounge and a pouffe? Are you from the North and do you mean your sitting room and ottoman?” when somebody is asking for home decor ideas.
Skyll · 11/12/2021 15:16

A simple google @Alltheblue tells you it’s in general use and acceptable in Hiberno English.

It’s definitely used in America, but it’s also used in parts of the Uk and Ireland.

I don’t know why you’re so sceptical.

Abitofalark · 11/12/2021 15:18

@whywouldntyou

Oh I agree!

Don't get me started on 'normalcy' 'burglarise' and 'could care less' - the latter from the amazing writer David Baldacci. I was tempted to tweet him about it but bottled out!

I continually berate my adult son about putting the 'trash' out 😡

It may be as well that you didn't! David Baldacci is a passionate advocate for literacy and funds adult literacy classes all over America. The figures for people who can't read or write are astonishing, even in a country as inventive and advanced in literacy and many other fields as America.

He wrote a book about his family background in the Appalachians which features the dialect of that area.

Geamhradh · 11/12/2021 15:19

@ComtesseDeSpair

Oh aye. And the "you spelled a word wrong and first my eyes bled till there was a red stain on the carpet then I had to stop reading because I couldn't understand what you were trying to say" stuff.

Alltheblue · 11/12/2021 15:20

Because I haven't heard it, as I said. It must be pretty niche. Interesting but you can't hate it when people aren't familiar with regional differences in their own region... We might be forgiven for thinking we'd have heard it. We can't be everywhere at once!

Alltheblue · 11/12/2021 15:22

Incidentally I hate google used as a verb when research is such a lovely word. I suppose we all have our eccentricities.

Skyll · 11/12/2021 15:24

I hear it regularly. It must be pretty niche not to use it.

See? That’s an English location centric view. There’s a whole big world out there and loads of ex-colonies that use English as a language. Just because you’re in a particular part of the UK doesn’t make you right.

Gotten is a perfectly acceptable word and it isn’t an Americanism.

Geamhradh · 11/12/2021 15:25

@Alltheblue

Incidentally I hate google used as a verb when research is such a lovely word. I suppose we all have our eccentricities.
"research" is certainly often used as a synonym for "Google". Especially on MN (even more so on anti-vax threads!) Grin
Skyll · 11/12/2021 15:27

And yet another way for you to put me down due to my use of google as a verb. Does that make you feel superior?

Simonjt · 11/12/2021 15:29

@TheCreamCaker

I hate all these Americanisms in the English language.

Gotten
Can I get
I have instead of I've got

So you never say for example forgotten? Neither of your examples are americanisations.

English in the US actually has changed as much as english in the UK, so UK english is actually yhe bastardisation of english.

Geamhradh · 11/12/2021 15:43

@Skyll

And yet another way for you to put me down due to my use of google as a verb. Does that make you feel superior?
Comments might make people feel superior, but as we can see, the content of the comment proves the opposite. Brew
GerbilCurse · 11/12/2021 15:44

I used to live near Knob Lick, Missouri. There's a bald knob and a pilots knob round about too :-)

MoonRiverLaLaLa · 11/12/2021 15:44

I'm from Texas and say "y'all" frequently, as do many of my fellow Texans. You don't hear that in NY or California!

I wish everyone would say "y'all" Grin
It's much better than "you guys" or that horrible "yous".

Abitofalark · 11/12/2021 15:46

@Chasingaftermidnight

I have a neighbour who talks about money in ‘bucks’. As in ‘it was about thirty bucks.’ She means pounds.
Some people here also refer to our 'tax dollars', lazily lifted straight from America. We have pounds here, you numpty! And even more numptyish, if possible, is 'chump change'.

'More bang for your buck' has become common enough here but it is a useful expression, so not just adopted for the sake of flaunting a shiny new-fangled thing because you imagine it makes you cool or something.

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 11/12/2021 15:51

I'm in Ireland - never heard gotten used, so it's not standard in terms of Hiberno-English

I find that very surprising indeed. I would say 'gotten' is absolutely standard Hiberno-English.

www.irishtimes.com/culture/another-fine-mess-he-s-gotten-us-into-1.1167140

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 11/12/2021 15:52

And one from Miriam O'Callaghan

To ask if do (or will) miss British English?