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AIBU?

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Would you report someone to SS for having CCTV in their home

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Tilltheend99 · 04/12/2021 11:22

As it says really. And hopefully this isn’t outing.

Some extended family have cameras all over their home including bedroom.

The original reason was that the stepchildren were supposedly stealing money but they have since moved out on their own as over 16.

Don’t see them often and even less since lockdown do can’t say if cameras are currently still up.

The primary age child they share presents as fed/well clothed/articulate plus no signs of physical abuse. The whole thing was more about pfb vs scs’. Mother is very gregarious and loving. Father is classic boring bloke with hobbies but perhaps a bit odd.

So basically I have no reason to suspect anything that I would contact social services about but the CCTV has never sat comfortably with me and since reading about the sad case of Arthur I am wondering again if this alone is enough of a red flag to contact ss?

So UABU: having cameras up all over the house is considered normal now and is not enough to report or

UANBU: having CCTV removes the child’s right to privacy in their own house and you would report?

Just interested to see what other people think or if I am blowing this out of proportion.

They used to throw large family parties before Covid and no one else seemed bothered by the CCTV. (TV in kitchen so not hiding it from anyone)

I tried to find a topic to post under but couldn’t find one suitable so sorry if this is in the wrong place.

OP posts:

toomuchlaundry · 04/12/2021 13:00

We never had a baby cam, just a monitor so we could hear if DS made a noise. I think sometimes it is hard to accept your DC are getting older. So if you had got used to a baby cam you might struggle to not have it, or something similar, once your DC is old enough to not have one and entitled to privacy

toomuchlaundry · 04/12/2021 13:01

I am sure if a child told their teacher at school that their parents had put a camera in their bedroom they would log it on their safeguarding system, especially if the child was KS2 or above

SW1amp · 04/12/2021 13:02

It’s a ‘toxic environment’ to have CCTV in the house?

This has to be peak MN nonsense, and there has been some absolute shite posted on here over the years

julieca · 04/12/2021 13:05

Baby monitors are common. But baby cams are for babies as the name implies.

julieca · 04/12/2021 13:05

@toomuchlaundry

I am sure if a child told their teacher at school that their parents had put a camera in their bedroom they would log it on their safeguarding system, especially if the child was KS2 or above

I agree.

milveycrohn · 04/12/2021 13:07

I have seen TV progs where some people have CCTV in their homes, but I personally think it a bit weird, and would make me uncomfortable.
I am too old to have had some kind of video/cctv for cot, although at night, I used a sound monitor. (could not use during the day, as it was an actual wire/cable into the master bedroom). - I should add, that in my day, the baby slept in a cot in another room, frowned upon these days.
However, I have I found the modern video/cctv usual when babysitting DGCs.
We have a doorbell camera, which is usful, although it also shows the road outside, and I am a bit concerned after a recent legal case indicated this could be illegal.
If I had a camera inside the house (which I do not), the only place I would consider it, is the hallway, and not any of the rooms, bedroom, kitchen etc

PlanktonsComputerWife · 04/12/2021 13:22

Having CCTV in your house is creepy, but so is reporting your family to Social Services just for shits and giggles.

This country gives me the absolute creeps.

toomuchlaundry · 04/12/2021 13:24

@PlanktonsComputerWife who is reporting for shits and giggles?

julieca · 04/12/2021 13:24

Kids are abused in plain sight all the time because nobody reported what was happening.

Oblomov21 · 04/12/2021 13:24

The fact you even considered phoning SS, for one millisecond, shows you are deluded and on a different planet to the rest of us.

SW1amp · 04/12/2021 13:30

@julieca

Kids are abused in plain sight all the time because nobody reported what was happening.

Right… and what in the OPs posts have suggested any sort of abuse?

The only straw anyone is clutching at is that some horribly abusive parents happened to have CCTV, and so does this family.

There are zero other common factors between the two cases

It’s about as relevant as saying that you know a kid that also wears a blue football shirt and want to report it

Groundless reports do NOT make the world safer

They suck up valuable time of already over-stretches social workers and detract from their ability to work with actual abuse cases and put other kids in direct harm

Anyone who can’t see that is frankly an absolute idiot

julieca · 04/12/2021 13:35

I honestly dont know what to say if you think CCTV in kids bedrooms, including in the recent past teenagers bedrooms, is not abusive.

SW1amp · 04/12/2021 13:38

@julieca

I honestly dont know what to say if you think CCTV in kids bedrooms, including in the recent past teenagers bedrooms, is not abusive.

I don’t know what to say if you haven’t actually read the thread and seen that OP clearly says there was never CCTV in the older children’s bedrooms

Have you honestly been making all your hysterical posts on this thread based on an incorrect assumption?

Drunkpanda · 04/12/2021 13:39

@SW1amp god who pissed on your chips?
OP does say there is a camera in the bedroom of one of the children. Not sure how I'm supposed to improve my reading when that is exactly what she says.

julieca · 04/12/2021 13:42

There are so many pretty nasty women on MN.

toomuchlaundry · 04/12/2021 13:43

The OP didn’t say there were never cameras in the older teens room, she couldn’t remember if there were.

@SW1amp if a child told a teacher their parent had put a camera in their bedroom do you think the teacher should just ignore that or report through their safeguarding system. I know what I would want the teacher to do

amylou8 · 04/12/2021 13:43

I have CCTV all over my house to spy on the cats when I'm not home, maybe someone should give the RSPCA a call. My adult daughter knows where all the cameras are. There's not one in her bedroom or the bathroom (obviously), but the rest if the house is pretty much covered.

Pumperthepumper · 04/12/2021 13:46

@Oblomov21

The fact you even considered phoning SS, for one millisecond, shows you are deluded and on a different planet to the rest of us.

What a bizarre overreaction.

julieca · 04/12/2021 13:47

So many people posting about CCTV in their houses that is irrelevant to the OPs situation.
If you have children without disabilities, who are teenagers or primary aged above 7 and have CCTV in their bedroom, then yes that is abusive. It is a sign of being over controlling.

neverbeenskiing · 04/12/2021 13:51

If SS saw it as a red flag, they would presumably ask CCTV companies for a list of houses with systems installed and start there

Hahahaha!! I'm sorry, but the idea that Children's Services are pro-actively going out looking for potential problems to investigate is ludicrous!

I work with children and families. If a child told me that their parents had installed a camera in their bedroom I couldn't just ignore it. I would need to document this and have a conversation with the parents to ascertain if it was true and if so, the reasons why. Depending on what they told me, I may then need to have a conversation with Children's Services but I doubt very much that any action would be taken. OP, if you're worried I recommend you call the NSPCC to talk it through with them. They will advise you what, if anything to do next.

SW1amp · 04/12/2021 13:52

[quote Drunkpanda]@SW1amp god who pissed on your chips?
OP does say there is a camera in the bedroom of one of the children. Not sure how I'm supposed to improve my reading when that is exactly what she says.[/quote]
She says there was a ‘nanny cam’ in the bedroom of a child when they were about 4 years old
She also says she has no idea if there is still a camera in there

So you’re basically advocating the reporting to SS of any child who’s parents ever used a baby monitor camera with them when they were a toddler or pre schooler just in case a report is made later down the road

Do you see how absolutely ridiculous that is?

TheVolturi · 04/12/2021 13:52

Ss are going to be inundated with reports following the Arthur case I think.
My view is, communal areas fine, bedrooms of young (infant age) children is OK if it's to keep an eye on them playing, sleeping etc. Older than that I don't think it's fine.

Tenbob · 04/12/2021 13:53

@julieca

So many people posting about CCTV in their houses that is irrelevant to the OPs situation. If you have children without disabilities, who are teenagers or primary aged above 7 and have CCTV in their bedroom, then yes that is abusive. It is a sign of being over controlling.

And what does this have to do with this thread, where the OP hasn’t actually said there is CCTV in the bedroom of older children?!

Some posters on here are absolutely barking

toomuchlaundry · 04/12/2021 14:00

If people have CCTV on in their home, do you sit and watch it all the time, otherwise what is the point of it?

Chely · 04/12/2021 14:03

We have cameras but not in bedrooms, that's not right imo. Neved had them for babies either, just keep them close.

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