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To think that "wokeism" is for the privileged few?

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Mooscow · 03/12/2021 15:30

Wokeism and identity politics seems rife at the moment in the UK. But Canada and the US seem even worse. There is this massive push to avoid the possibility of ever offending anyone, ever. For example, I work for a North American company and we've just been given a long list of words never to use. This includes "female", "blind", "deaf", "blacklist", "homeless", "rule of thumb" and it goes on and on and on. So you can't say things like "turn a blind eye" or "tone deaf" etc. any more in case it offends a blind or deaf person. Really?!

I've just read an article in the FT (sorry can't share) that says the US has only sent 111million out of its pledge to send 1 billion vaccines to poorer countries. The US has 2 and a half times the amount of vaccines it needs for itself and Canada has ordered 8 times what it needs.

I know that vaccines and wokeism has little in common but it just struck me how so much effort is put into this new purity culture whilst at the same time demonstrating utter selfishness and lack of compassion for anyone else.

It's also like the push to remove the word women from healthcare such as cervical screening in case a transman, as a "cervix haver" 🤮 is offended at being grouped with women, while 40% of women (especially those without English as a first language and those in lower socio-economic groups) don't even know what a cervix is. But screw them, let's let them get cervical cancer while we pat ourselves on the back and virtue signal at making sure we don't offend by telling the truth the tiny, tiny proportion of trans people.

I wonder if the whole work/identity politics stuff is based in the fact that privileged people can effortlessly virtue signal to feel better about themselves whilst remaining selfish, uncaring and apathetic towards people who are actually in need or vulnerable. AIBU?

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 04/12/2021 20:34

In the worst case scenario, treating transmen as male could lead to their death

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It was 2016 and Cameron Whitley was gravely ill. He was urgently in need of a kidney transplant, which should have been no problem. He was young and otherwise healthy. He had medical insurance. He even had several gallant friends willing to undergo major surgery for him.

There was a catch, however. His doctors were missing a crucial piece of information – one which, until then, no one had thought to look into. Without it, they weren’t able to put him on the list.

And so, more than a year after he first turned up at a hospital in the US Midwest with mysterious ear pain – eventually leading to a diagnosis of chronic kidney disease – he was forced to go on dialysis. By this point, his organs were functioning at less than 8% of their normal capacity.

But here again, Whitley hit a snag: his doctors were in need of another vital piece of information – and without it, they couldn’t work out how often he would need this treatment. They had to guess; they got it wrong; he became yet more unwell. All this time, his friends were practically throwing their kidneys at him.

Finally, just as Whitley, who is an assistant professor of sociology at Western Washington University, was approved for a transplant, his dialysis treatment led to massive blood loss and the operation had to be delayed. “It was really hard. I was horribly sick,” he says.

What was going on?

Whitley is a transgender man – he identifies as male but his biological sex is female. He has been living as a man for around 20 years. In his words, he fully “passes” as one, for want of a better term – and he is registered as a man on all his legal documents, from his passport to his medical records.

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In Whitley’s case, the problem was how the severity of kidney disease is assessed. The usual protocol is to calculate a patient’s “estimated glomerular filtration rate” (eGFR), which measures the amount of a certain waste product in their blood and therefore shows how efficient their kidneys are at filtering it out. If the eGFR is below a certain level, it’s an indication that their kidneys are failing and they are eligible for a transplant.

There are several different lower limits for an eGFR, depending on things like a person’s weight, age, sex and race, which are intended to reflect the natural variation in the human body. Based on the female cut-off, he would have been allowed a transplant immediately. But he’s registered as a man on his medical records, and this meant his doctors used the male eGFR level. He wasn’t put on the list until he reached it – a decision that ultimately delayed the surgery by over a year, and very nearly cost him his life.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 04/12/2021 20:58

P.S I've edited the above to change "gender" to sex, because it made no sense as it was.

Mooscow · 04/12/2021 21:01

[quote Octavia174]@Mooscow Not got a clue what you are on about, your OP is inaccurate too, basic research not done e.g the USA has in fact sent 280m doses abroad.

In RL no one gives a XXXX about woke and it also sounds like you don't know what it means either, its just another term bandied about to attempt to insult anyone someone happens not to agree with "oh your just being a woke"

Woke actually means "alert to injustice, esp racism" is that so wrong???

Perhaps try Googling NHS Womens Services before you hit us with non existent scare story? in my area it is packed full of womens specific treatments and services, i looked at 2 or 3 and found zero mention of men or trans.

At my last check up, normal language was used, no males were present.[/quote]
@Octavia174 if you think the figures are wrong, take it up with the Financial Times, which published that figure on Friday.

I don't know what you mean about "non-existent scare story". I published my company's style guide which shows that we're not allowed to use the word female or women. And links to plenty of evidence where the word woman has been erased from important policies. Great that you haven't personally experienced this yourself but it doesn't negate the facts and other people's experiences.

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 04/12/2021 21:02

@ArabellaScott

I do remain unpersuaded that the entirety of human experience must be lined up into blue and pink boxes and remain there forever.

Great! And are you aware that this is exactly the position of feminists and especially 'gender critical' feminists?

Reminds me of this images.
To think that "wokeism" is for the privileged few?
DdraigGoch · 04/12/2021 21:21

@skullbabe

I wonder if the people objecting to the lack of identifying women and girls in these policy documents forget that non binary people and trans men exist. I agree the prostate example is a perfect space to lobby for the removal of men/male and the prostate screening excludes trans women and non binary people. I think it reasonable to discuss with Prostate Scotland the importance of using NHS Scotland’s style guide.
One of the major prostate cancer charities was asked this and they were very firm that they should continue to use "men" in their publicity because it got the message through to those who needed it.
PurgatoryOfPotholes · 04/12/2021 21:34

Look at the wording used here. You do not see any umbrella "people with prostates" language.

Men and transwomen are addressed separately, with respect.

If you're LGBT+ you may have specific questions around prostate cancer diagnosis and treatment.

We've tried to answer as many as we can below.👇

🌈 Gay & bi men: t.co/mQPN3RC0Hj

🌈 Trans women: t.co/eI64KlVQRp t.co/ZxBSRUUwiL

twitter.com/ProstateUK/status/1387011398736220165?t=PA9TadL-0tCp5aPzVyTYHQ&s=19

To think that "wokeism" is for the privileged few?
PrincessNutella · 04/12/2021 21:37

Gender Critical feminists are the ones who are against shoving kids into pink and blue boxes! We aren't the ones who are saying you're a girl if you like playing with barbies and like sparkles! We aren't the ones saying you're a boy if you like mud and bugs and hate dresses, as in this children's book, Jack not Jackie. (see below). That's propaganda of an extreme ideology. Because any kid can like any of those things. And they'd be so much healthier without adults stuffing them into pink and blue boxes and shooting them up with powerful drugs to lock them in a choice.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/12/2021 22:03

Gender Critical feminists are the ones who are against shoving kids into pink and blue boxes!

It's such an irritating misrepresentation.

VestofAbsurdity · 04/12/2021 23:09

No responses from DameFanny to the excellent points and information posted for their perusal and yet they were so keen to show us the error of our ways and 'educate' us.

I wonder what they are sewing?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/12/2021 23:20

I expect it's very complex.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 05/12/2021 20:37

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I expect it's very complex.
Something with bust darts, doubtless.
EricCartmansUnderpants · 05/12/2021 23:51

A mackintosh of manipulation I expect.

MiddleEasternMummy · 06/12/2021 01:44

@Chickenkatsu

I thought that it might offend people with no thumbs.
Haha 😂 if that doesn't something else will . People are waiting on the edge of their seats to find something offensive. (Hope I can say edge of their seat ) 🤷🏾‍♀️
MiddleEasternMummy · 06/12/2021 01:45

[quote Daftasabroom]@vickibee that's an old urban myth.[/quote]
It's actually true ! Google it . It was a genuine law .

DottyDoge · 06/12/2021 01:57

I may have missed it on the thread but there is an argument that “woke” has had three meanings

  1. The original (in the context of civil rights) meaning where African American activists used to term to mean they were aware of structural racism
  1. A similar meaning, but adopted by white middle class lefties to describe themselves as aware of social inequalities
  1. The use by the Daily Mail etc as a synonym for “pc gone mad”

My question is: was definition 2 ever used in any widespread manner?

My theory is that the meaning has gone directly from 1 to 3 and 2 was a myth. Is this correct?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 06/12/2021 02:44

I have seen definition 2 being employed on twitter by, well, white, middle-class lefties.

DottyDoge · 06/12/2021 07:25

I have seen definition 2 being employed on twitter by, well, white, middle-class lefties

hmm… that goes to confirm my suspicion, given how unrepresentative twitter tends to be.

Annoymouser2 · 06/12/2021 07:33

I think people who think this stuff up to appear clever and get paid alot btw to do so are just a bunch of clowns. To not be labelled as female, why not? Every right women fought for is now beimg slowly taken away that we now can not be called females anymore. Its all a bit handsmaidy tale.

Daftasabroom · 06/12/2021 08:23

@MiddleEasternMummy you must have a different Google to the one I use.

AlfonsoTheUnrepentant · 06/12/2021 08:25

@EricCartmansUnderpants

A mackintosh of manipulation I expect.
Decorated with lots of ribbons,
NotNormal78 · 23/12/2022 12:38

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worstusernameeverx2 · 24/12/2022 12:40

What's wrong with the word 'female'? Surely that's just misogynistic, when 'male' is fine? It's shocking I agree

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