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AIBU to think parents shouldn't get preferential treatment when it comes to time off work?

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KwestTurkey · 30/11/2021 22:38

I just read an article on Facebook about this. A parent had asked a childfree colleague if she could have some of her saved holiday days and was refused (understandably).

That's obviously a CF request. But in general, what do you think about parents and holiday requests Vs childfree colleagues?

I don't believe parents should be given priority when it comes to time off on any holiday, be it summer or Christmas etc.. I think it should always, generally, work on a first come first served basis. The amount of times I was refused any sort of time off in the summer because every single parent in the office had booked off the summer and they were given first dibs on those dates used to annoy me.

I'm a parent now but my opinion hasn't changed on that. I think if someone childfree has gotten there with the request before you then that's tough.

Same with Christmas, if you work a job that requires Christmas working, I don't think it's fair to allow the same people off every Christmas year in year out.

It's definitely something I've experienced in my workplace before and after having DC and it feels very unfair.

I really don't think it's anyone elses responsibility to ensure you get time off during school holidays or things like Christmas and that a childfree colleague has as much right to book the time off as any parent.

So...

YANBU - parents shouldn't get preferential treatment or priority when it comes to time off work.

YABU - they should.

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slashlover · 04/12/2021 14:53

This has reminded me once again what an odd place mumsnet is. Absolutely everyone I know in real life would consider it selfish for a childless person take Christmas Day as leave over a family with young children but not one person on here seems to share this view. Going to step away from the thread now as it is making me cross and I have a lovely Christmassy day planned with my kids.

So I've to never spend Christmas day with my family ever again?

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 04/12/2021 15:04

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Jackofallsorts · 04/12/2021 15:26

@slashlover

This has reminded me once again what an odd place mumsnet is. Absolutely everyone I know in real life would consider it selfish for a childless person take Christmas Day as leave over a family with young children but not one person on here seems to share this view. Going to step away from the thread now as it is making me cross and I have a lovely Christmassy day planned with my kids.

So I've to never spend Christmas day with my family ever again?

A "childless person".
Have we all been transported back to the 1960s?

Preferential treatment to any cohort of employees over all others is wrong.

That this needs to be explained to some people is really astounding.
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Kanaloa · 04/12/2021 15:45

@Toomanyradishes

I suppose it’s quite a difficult question because it seems like the bottom line of it is that the ‘magic’ only lasts while children believe in Father Christmas/Santa, and that’s the most important thing.

But we never did Santa in my house - my kids always knew him as a fictional character. So seeing as we never did ‘the magic’ do I have to work every Christmas since my kids don’t believe? What about a Muslim family who don’t do Christmas exactly but do like to have a special day together since everyone’s off work/school/uni and they can travel to see family in other cities? They don’t have the ‘magic’ so does it matter if they have young kids? And then if you all work together, and all have kids, is there then a hierarchy of magical importance?

Really it just proves that it isn’t about having kids of a certain age, it’s just basic selfishness. It would make more sense for some parents to say ‘my Christmas is special and magic! I should have the day off because I’m more special than you and your family.’

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AudacityBaby · 04/12/2021 15:55

@Jackofallsorts The really depressing thing is that many workplaces really do operate on that basis. This thread is full of them.

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Mrsmch123 · 04/12/2021 16:55

100% parents should not be given preferential treatment and get Christmas off. If your job happens to open on Christmas Day and you have to work then that's just tuff.

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ClaudiaJ1 · 04/12/2021 22:29

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AudacityBaby · 04/12/2021 22:51

@ClaudiaJ1 Plenty of people in real life do and plenty of people on this thread do. Even aside from the many people who’ve said as much, 24% of the 3131 voters on the poll have said so. 751 people.

I absolutely believe that DancingQueen knows tons of people who believe this crap. It depresses the shit out of me.

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Mellowyellow222 · 04/12/2021 23:01

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Dibbydoos · 05/12/2021 00:33

I recently stayed in a hotel. The shift manager told me they'd taken on single parents who couldn't work evenings or weekends which meant she was covering every weekend and doing back to back shifts (night followed by day). I think this is madness. I know single parents need income, but in a hotel flexibility is key so single parents possibly need to look elsewhere for jobs Hmm
Ref holidays - unless my colleague is a single parent with no support network, I'd expect mix and match for holidays - Easter = 2 weeks, so could be split into 2 x 1 week leave. Christmas is similar and there are 6-8 weeks in the summer so that should be straight forward. Other half terms might be OK to go to parents.
I have to admit though until I had kids I'd go on holiday during term time cos it was quieter and flights were cheaper. When we had kids, we stuck to school holidays in the main, but as there were 2 of us, we managed covering school holidays between us. I had several colleagues that only worked term time, though they checked emails everyday which worked OK too.
But I don't think you're being unreasonable to expect holidays to be fairly distributed - first come first served is how we managed things but it might be fairer to get people to choose in a team setting...

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womaninatightspot · 05/12/2021 16:35

@Dibbydoos

I recently stayed in a hotel. The shift manager told me they'd taken on single parents who couldn't work evenings or weekends which meant she was covering every weekend and doing back to back shifts (night followed by day). I think this is madness. I know single parents need income, but in a hotel flexibility is key so single parents possibly need to look elsewhere for jobs Hmm
Ref holidays - unless my colleague is a single parent with no support network, I'd expect mix and match for holidays - Easter = 2 weeks, so could be split into 2 x 1 week leave. Christmas is similar and there are 6-8 weeks in the summer so that should be straight forward. Other half terms might be OK to go to parents.
I have to admit though until I had kids I'd go on holiday during term time cos it was quieter and flights were cheaper. When we had kids, we stuck to school holidays in the main, but as there were 2 of us, we managed covering school holidays between us. I had several colleagues that only worked term time, though they checked emails everyday which worked OK too.
But I don't think you're being unreasonable to expect holidays to be fairly distributed - first come first served is how we managed things but it might be fairer to get people to choose in a team setting...

To be fair I work in a hotel in housekeeping which works well with school hours. Hotels have been so short staffed recently and have to work with the staff they are able to get. I went for an interview in a nice hoter recently and they are operating at 70% capacity as they don't have the staff to service rooms/ kitchen staff to cook for them.

I was totally honest I can start at 9 and I need to finish by 3, won't do weekends. Got offered the job.
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HYDE42117 · 05/12/2021 17:46

Coming the politest way possible. It's first corm first serve. I don't have kids. - that's a private matter and I'm not getting into this.
But sorry get your shit together, your able to as an adult to get yourself dressed ect in the morning. Get your shit together with booking your time off work. We all have families we want to see and spend time with or go on holiday....

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Shachesh · 06/12/2021 13:27

I don’t have kids not through choice, but love to be able to have Christmas with my family and their kids….. but it is expected that I would rather not be with my family over Christmas. It’s not just about having kids it’s about being with family and friends at Christmas. Therefore, alternate for people regardless of children. One year you get Christmas off the next you don’t, if people choose to swap then that’s awesome but mostly it’s fair.

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Shachesh · 06/12/2021 13:31

Don’t you think though that Christmas is also about being with family ? Just because you don’t have children surely shouldn’t mean you don’t get to spend it with your family….. ever. Christmas is somewhat bigger than kids and presents 🤔

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julieca · 06/12/2021 14:05

Honestly, I think people who think Christmas is only about kids really arent that bright.

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KaycePollard · 06/12/2021 18:00

And similarly, people who think that the only families are ones with young children lack imagination.

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BigFatLiar · 06/12/2021 18:16

I don't think businesses should be making judgements about the worthiness of their staff to holidays. We all have our own dramas going on.

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kitcat15 · 08/12/2021 20:32

[quote DancingQueen85]@Toomanyradishes
You absolutely don't have to justify your lifestyle to me. I have absolutely no interest in it. I don't think this was even your thread so not sure why you are so invested in my response to the OP's question

As a side note. My parents would be horrified if they thought that by spending Christmas Day with them it meant that a child was wasn't able to see their parents.

@PurpleDaisies
Ok you are right, it is not a need. That was the wrong choice of words. It also isn't a need for a childless person to have Christmas Day off, particularly if it means that this prevents a parent from seeing there children.

This has reminded me once again what an odd place mumsnet is. Absolutely everyone I know in real life would consider it selfish for a childless person take Christmas Day as leave over a family with young children but not one person on here seems to share this view. Going to step away from the thread now as it is making me cross and I have a lovely Christmassy day planned with my kids. [/quote]
Let's hope your children don't grow up as selfish and entitled as you 🙄

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