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DoubleTweenQueen · 22/11/2021 12:05

Ok, so, it has come to my attention lately that gender-questioning is becoming more prevalent - particularly with pre-teen and teen girls.

DD2 seems to be questioning her own identity - doesn’t surprise me. Consider it a normal part of painful adolescence, particularly how women are portrayed and treated.
She has just turned 12. Was bullied when she was 9. Developed GAD; changed schools. Felt better, made new friends, more relaxed with life.

Then the pandemic - fear, worry, social isolation, introduction to tech for education and contact, her older sister succumbed to an eating disorder which has been a source of pain and more worry, and continues to be.

DD2 got into minecraft and you tubers who did minecraft. From there she has acquired quite a grounding in the toxicity of gender politics, mostly from the US it seems.

She seems to have been facilitated by school in her new thoughts about herself - she says she is demi-female, wants to change her pronouns to ‘they’ and her name. This is the first I’ve heard of it, by accident. No-one has mentioned anything about her questioning her identity or any upset from her at all. School have not talked to me at all regarding what else might be going on in her life - first term of senior school. I have filled them in. They are backpedaling.

What I have learned very quickly is that schools appear to be counselling children who are gender questioning, by affirming their thoughts through counselling in school - which is confidential and not shared with parents because the current thought seems to be - once a child questions their gender, they are identified as a ‘protected minority’ and supported and affirmed. Some schools are also enabling children to change their pronouns and name in school - step towards social transition.

This is counter to current thought regarding providing a safe neutral space for children to question and grow, without enabling or influence a move in a trans direction, and one they could feel unable to renege upon at a later date.

More worrying, there is a bill currently being drawn up in Parliament regarding the ban on ‘conversion therapy’ - heavily lobbied for by LGBT+ groups.
This wouldn’t seem to be an issue, apart from this does actually impact the field of child psychology in that when a gender-questioning child goes for therapy or support, the counsellor or psychologist may not look for co-morbidities, i.e. delve deeper to question whether the gender-questioning is a symptom of some deeper issue - anxiety, trauma, neurological-diversity. This is just bonkers! But look at what happened at The Tavistock clinic.........

I aam posting here, because most (including me) were blissfully unaware of the stealth by which this ideology is creeping into our schools and soon nurseries - under the guise of inclusion and anti-bullying. That our children have just gone through two years of difficulty and over-exposure to tech and social media. That their mental health has truly suffered.

If you have older children in secondary school - ask them if they hear of students declaring they are non-binary, interested in changing name or pronouns, interested in Communism and vegetarianism - it seems to go together.
It is very common now. Social contagion as bad as eating disorders, and potentially as damaging, if enabled to move down the pathway of puberty blockers, hormones, surgery!

Please look into this, and make yourselves heard!!

www.transgendertrend.com/conversion-therapy-legal-opinion/

Also - look at Genspect, and the Bayswater Support Group.

These are children, who are vulnerable and neuro-plastic. They are influenced heavily by SM. Please make yourselves aware, before this becomes law, and when your gender-questioning child goes for any sort of counselling, they will be met not with in-depth discussion about what has led them to their belief about themselves being wrong, or weird, or ‘other’ (so normal for adolescents!!) - but affirmation of a trans identity, and not looking for co-morbidities, because it will be against the law Hmm

Thanks for reading.

Put here for traffic, but MN can move wherever they like.

I would like to see MN also look into this, as an important parental issue (if they dare Sad)

Vote - YABU - you’re hysterical
YANBU - you might be on to something

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DoubleTweenQueen · 18/12/2021 16:44

I found this today:
www.ebswa.org/blank-page

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DoubleTweenQueen · 18/12/2021 16:45

Posted too soon - there is a link to a piece on child development from that page.

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Nowayoutonlydown · 19/12/2021 02:04

@DoubleTweenQueen

Ok, so, it has come to my attention lately that gender-questioning is becoming more prevalent - particularly with pre-teen and teen girls.

DD2 seems to be questioning her own identity - doesn’t surprise me. Consider it a normal part of painful adolescence, particularly how women are portrayed and treated.
She has just turned 12. Was bullied when she was 9. Developed GAD; changed schools. Felt better, made new friends, more relaxed with life.

Then the pandemic - fear, worry, social isolation, introduction to tech for education and contact, her older sister succumbed to an eating disorder which has been a source of pain and more worry, and continues to be.

DD2 got into minecraft and you tubers who did minecraft. From there she has acquired quite a grounding in the toxicity of gender politics, mostly from the US it seems.

She seems to have been facilitated by school in her new thoughts about herself - she says she is demi-female, wants to change her pronouns to ‘they’ and her name. This is the first I’ve heard of it, by accident. No-one has mentioned anything about her questioning her identity or any upset from her at all. School have not talked to me at all regarding what else might be going on in her life - first term of senior school. I have filled them in. They are backpedaling.

What I have learned very quickly is that schools appear to be counselling children who are gender questioning, by affirming their thoughts through counselling in school - which is confidential and not shared with parents because the current thought seems to be - once a child questions their gender, they are identified as a ‘protected minority’ and supported and affirmed. Some schools are also enabling children to change their pronouns and name in school - step towards social transition.

This is counter to current thought regarding providing a safe neutral space for children to question and grow, without enabling or influence a move in a trans direction, and one they could feel unable to renege upon at a later date.

More worrying, there is a bill currently being drawn up in Parliament regarding the ban on ‘conversion therapy’ - heavily lobbied for by LGBT+ groups.
This wouldn’t seem to be an issue, apart from this does actually impact the field of child psychology in that when a gender-questioning child goes for therapy or support, the counsellor or psychologist may not look for co-morbidities, i.e. delve deeper to question whether the gender-questioning is a symptom of some deeper issue - anxiety, trauma, neurological-diversity. This is just bonkers! But look at what happened at The Tavistock clinic.........

I aam posting here, because most (including me) were blissfully unaware of the stealth by which this ideology is creeping into our schools and soon nurseries - under the guise of inclusion and anti-bullying. That our children have just gone through two years of difficulty and over-exposure to tech and social media. That their mental health has truly suffered.

If you have older children in secondary school - ask them if they hear of students declaring they are non-binary, interested in changing name or pronouns, interested in Communism and vegetarianism - it seems to go together.
It is very common now. Social contagion as bad as eating disorders, and potentially as damaging, if enabled to move down the pathway of puberty blockers, hormones, surgery!

Please look into this, and make yourselves heard!!

www.transgendertrend.com/conversion-therapy-legal-opinion/

Also - look at Genspect, and the Bayswater Support Group.

These are children, who are vulnerable and neuro-plastic. They are influenced heavily by SM. Please make yourselves aware, before this becomes law, and when your gender-questioning child goes for any sort of counselling, they will be met not with in-depth discussion about what has led them to their belief about themselves being wrong, or weird, or ‘other’ (so normal for adolescents!!) - but affirmation of a trans identity, and not looking for co-morbidities, because it will be against the law Hmm

Thanks for reading.

Put here for traffic, but MN can move wherever they like.

I would like to see MN also look into this, as an important parental issue (if they dare Sad)

Vote - YABU - you’re hysterical
YANBU - you might be on to something

YANBU. DD fairly recently told me the same, she's 14 in a few days, so a little older than yours. DD is tall, and quite solid in build, all of her female role models aren't particularly girly. After the past few years, it's hardly surprising she's felt a little confused, then there's media, the school is very supportive of trans and LGBTQ which is great, but it seems to be a situation that's pushed towards children who are unhappy or confused or sad.

It seems that DD has had conversations within her PHSE lessons that lead her to believe that because she's not super feminine, and doesn't feel she fits into what a woman "should" aspire to be that maybe she isn't female at all. It's harmful and I wish that they were taught before searching for a label that they should really be able to try and have some time, with support from family and friends, to figure out what's really going on.
I'm DDs situation, to have the space to freely express herself, and support from us as her family, things seem better and she's more comfortable with herself as time moves along.

My advice would be to tell them to forget pronouns, forget what their gender should stipulate about them from the standpoints we are force fed through media and misogyny.
To know that as a person, they are loved and that isn't reliant on their thoughts of their gender, but they need to figure out a bit about themselves, they can be free to make their clothing and hair choices, and everything else, but that they should take their time getting to know themselves before they jump into the fight with the rest of society.
My biggest fear was thar DD would jump into changing her name, and wanting hormone blockers without giving it real consideration and deeply regretting it at a later date. Luckily I don't think that will happen now. Now she knows she has a choice to be whatever she feels, she's decidedly more girly than she has been.

Lokdok · 19/12/2021 07:29

Schools are supporting all children to be their authentic selves. This means giving them the space to question their parents’ ideologies, culture and norms. It’s a good thing. They are not sneaking your daughter testosterone. They’re hearing her out. It’s totally normal for all children to have a moment of questioning their sexuality, gender, religion, beliefs. For a small minority this will lead on to something more, but for most, it will pass. If you support her and let her be her authentic self (odds on, she will stay a girl!) then you’ll be parenting right.

DoubleTweenQueen · 19/12/2021 09:43

Lobby groups teaching an unscientific innate and immutable gender identity need to get out of schools. All child development research to date points to gender identity being fluid and developing as the child matures and experiences the world around them, the same as physical, emotional and intellectual development.
The trans and gender lobbyists have gone far beyond what is acceptable.
Time to push back on the additional emotional stress being put on our children. No more. Enough.

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LimpLettice · 19/12/2021 09:56

I really dislike the 'authentic selves' narrative. What is bloody authentic about kids trying to confirm so hard into repressive little boxes which are all based in old fashioned western stereotypes? Applying such bunkum to tweens and young teens is absolutely inappropriate and certainly nothing to do with schools. At this age, they have mammoth amounts of change ahead, their 'authentic selves' will be in permanent flux and the right people to help guide them to make no lasting or physical changes until adulthood are not unrelated, unqualified teachers pushing agendas trained into them by Stonewall.

We KNOW identity is a big issue at this age. Of course it is. But watchful waiting by parents and carers is what allows most kids to grow and let it pass. Affirmation therapies, by teachers and other adults in authority tend to push kids further than they would go left alone.

YouSetTheTone · 19/12/2021 13:15

For a small minority this will lead on to something more, but for most, it will pass.

By this do you mean that for some children they will move on from being affirmed in new pronouns/ name etc to being put on puberty blockers and a double mastectomy? Putting them on a pathway to a lifetime of complicated medical needs and a stunted sex life. Is this acceptable collateral damage? One day these girls may well become women who look at their irretrievably altered bodies with horror, and face their compromised fertility and inability to breastfeed any babies they could give birth to (if they haven’t had a hysterectomy). They might feel like the growing numbers of detransitioners who feel let down by the adults around them.

If schools really give a damn about children what they’d do is run all sorts of mixed sex clubs across a range of activities - sewing, baking, fashion design, rock climbing, STEM subjects - showing boys and girls they can do all sorts of activities and they don’t need to ‘change sex’ to do them! They’d discuss stereotypes hard baked into society and encourage children to break those down not their own bodies!

Within their PSHE lessons they’d talk about inspirational lesbians and gay men - showing children in an age appropriate manner that same sex attraction is normal. All of this would be done by staff trained in safeguarding.

They’d teach children their personal boundaries are normal, socially acceptable and they’re ENTITLED to them. None of this ‘oh just accept penises in your bathrooms girls.’

There’s so much wrong with the pernicious, vacuous, dangerous ‘gender ideology’ sneaking its way through the education system. Stop with this ‘authentic self’ bollocks. What does that actually even mean?!

DoubleTweenQueen · 19/12/2021 15:19

@YouSetTheTone I couldn't agree more. Complacency to the level of influence increasingly afforded trans and gender ideology groups over our children in schools and expanding into nursery settings, is a big dangerous experiment.

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