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[DoubleTweenQueen]

Ok, so, it has come to my attention lately that gender-questioning is becoming more prevalent - particularly with pre-teen and teen girls.

DD2 seems to be questioning her own identity - doesn’t surprise me. Consider it a normal part of painful adolescence, particularly how women are portrayed and treated.
She has just turned 12. Was bullied when she was 9. Developed GAD; changed schools. Felt better, made new friends, more relaxed with life.

Then the pandemic - fear, worry, social isolation, introduction to tech for education and contact, her older sister succumbed to an eating disorder which has been a source of pain and more worry, and continues to be.

DD2 got into minecraft and you tubers who did minecraft. From there she has acquired quite a grounding in the toxicity of gender politics, mostly from the US it seems.

She seems to have been facilitated by school in her new thoughts about herself - she says she is demi-female, wants to change her pronouns to ‘they’ and her name. This is the first I’ve heard of it, by accident. No-one has mentioned anything about her questioning her identity or any upset from her at all. School have not talked to me at all regarding what else might be going on in her life - first term of senior school. I have filled them in. They are backpedaling.

What I have learned very quickly is that schools appear to be counselling children who are gender questioning, by affirming their thoughts through counselling in school - which is confidential and not shared with parents because the current thought seems to be - once a child questions their gender, they are identified as a ‘protected minority’ and supported and affirmed. Some schools are also enabling children to change their pronouns and name in school - step towards social transition.

This is counter to current thought regarding providing a safe neutral space for children to question and grow, without enabling or influence a move in a trans direction, and one they could feel unable to renege upon at a later date.

More worrying, there is a bill currently being drawn up in Parliament regarding the ban on ‘conversion therapy’ - heavily lobbied for by LGBT+ groups.
This wouldn’t seem to be an issue, apart from this does actually impact the field of child psychology in that when a gender-questioning child goes for therapy or support, the counsellor or psychologist may not look for co-morbidities, i.e. delve deeper to question whether the gender-questioning is a symptom of some deeper issue - anxiety, trauma, neurological-diversity. This is just bonkers! But look at what happened at The Tavistock clinic.........

I aam posting here, because most (including me) were blissfully unaware of the stealth by which this ideology is creeping into our schools and soon nurseries - under the guise of inclusion and anti-bullying. That our children have just gone through two years of difficulty and over-exposure to tech and social media. That their mental health has truly suffered.

If you have older children in secondary school - ask them if they hear of students declaring they are non-binary, interested in changing name or pronouns, interested in Communism and vegetarianism - it seems to go together.
It is very common now. Social contagion as bad as eating disorders, and potentially as damaging, if enabled to move down the pathway of puberty blockers, hormones, surgery!

Please look into this, and make yourselves heard!!

www.transgendertrend.com/conversion-therapy-legal-opinion/

Also - look at Genspect, and the Bayswater Support Group.

These are children, who are vulnerable and neuro-plastic. They are influenced heavily by SM. Please make yourselves aware, before this becomes law, and when your gender-questioning child goes for any sort of counselling, they will be met not with in-depth discussion about what has led them to their belief about themselves being wrong, or weird, or ‘other’ (so normal for adolescents!!) - but affirmation of a trans identity, and not looking for co-morbidities, because it will be against the law

Thanks for reading.

Put here for traffic, but MN can move wherever they like.

I would like to see MN also look into this, as an important parental issue (if they dare )

Vote - YABU - you’re hysterical
YANBU - you might be on to something

Yes this behaviour from those in positions of power is now turning into indoctrination. It is scary, bad for children’s mental health, and you are right to question.

@ArcheryAnnie

Also, what the hell are "LGBTQQIP2SAA rights"? I ask this as a fully paid-up bender. Perhaps I didn't get the latest LGBTQQIP2SAA memo?

I'm trying to figure it out too....

Lesbian gay bisexual trans queer questioning intersex pansexual "two spirit" aro ace?

LBG fine, T should be on its own, I doesn't belong here either and the rest is a load of fashionable and cultural-imperialist old bollocks for people who should get off the internet and get out more. And I also say this as a fully paid up LB if anyone wants to check my carpet-munching ID card (sorry not sorry )

Thankyou for your thoughts on this.

@foxgoosefinch. 💐

If you haven't already, come over to the feminist sex and gender board OP!

YANBU SM has a lot to answer for here as well as peer influence and the strong desire to fit in and belong. Twelve is such a young age to make such monumental decisions about your identity and to understand all the wider implications. It's also a time of huge physical and emotional change coupled with the move to secondary school and lockdowns. I think you are doing the right thing OP, supporting and loving that's all you can do.

If you have older children in secondary school - ask them if they hear of students declaring they are non-binary, interested in changing name or pronouns, interested in Communism and vegetarianism - it seems to go together.
It is very common now. Social contagion as bad as eating disorders, and potentially as damaging, if enabled to move down the pathway of puberty blockers, hormones, surgery!

Pardon?

Well generally yes, totally agree with you but you'll lose credibility by lumping vegetarianism and communism in there too OP.

Again - I didn't say anything wrong with either, but to flag up the connection and markers of social media influence over rapid onset gender questioning/dysphoria it's a real package to look out for.

Hth!

This is not a progressive movement. It's regressive.

It's not the same as Section 28 and anti homosexuality laws and it's part of the playbook (cynically developed by a law firm called Dentons) to lump it in with those things and frame it as just the next civil rights movement. The wheels are starting to come off that movement now - as can be seen by the travails of Stonewall recently - but you still get posters turning up on page 1 of your thread to berate you for basically being homophobic.

You're not OP. They are.

Listen to that episode of the Nolan podcast (is it episode 4 or5?) where the Tavistock doctor makes it clear that gender dysphoria never happens without there being an underlying cause. It's not like being gay AT ALL.

@RepentMotherfucker. A friend put me on to that podcast, and it was definitely an eye opener!
David Bell was recently talking on an ROGD conference hosted by Genspect:
genspect.org/conferences/

I don't think schools have caught up yet - at all.

In all honesty I think schools are always the last ones to the party!

I have been thinking about how to get the message through. I think we need work on Ofsted, the DFE and individual councils. For example lots of school equality policies come direct from councils and they have all been Stonewalled. They need challenging.

@RepentMotherfucker A few of us are writing to our MP s to urge caution and request better wording of the anti-'conversion therapy' legislation so that child psychology and counseling for gender questioning children are not unnecessarily hampered, for lack of engagement and scrutiny, and influence of lobby groups.

We need to be aware of this, as it has happened, and is happening, by stealth.

Am adding to your links op.

www.conservativesforwomen.org/free-speech

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/

In 2009/2010 there were 32 girls referred to Tavistock with gender dysphoria. In 2018/2019 there were 1740 girls referred.

That’s a 5337% increase in 9 years.

35% of those girls were already diagnosed with autism. Compared to less than 1% of girls diagnosed with autism in the general population.

Many of these girls referred later detransition. But not until they’ve done permanent physical and psychological damage, including brain development halted at the age they begin puberty blockers, cross sex hormones causing them to become sterile, in need to early hysterectomy and very early hysterectomy is closely linked with very early onset dementia. They risk crumbling bone disease, chronic pain, reliance on medication for life, hip fractures and a women who breaks her hip has a 50% chance of dying within a year. They have mastectomies. Cross sex hormones massively increase bp risking stroke and heart disease. When used in Eastern European Olympians, the fittest women in the world, it caused them to die 30 years earlier than expected from heart problems.

In the detransers group girls with autism are just a disproportionately represented. The other two groups are lesbians or girls who are victims of csa.

This ideology is preying on some of the most vulnerable groups of girls in our society.

It’s eugenics of gender non conforming kids.

And the people trained in safeguarding who we should trust to safeguard our vulnerable children are the people who are pushing this rigid, regressive ideology on them.

It’s hugely homophobic to compare this highly homophobic ideology to gay rights. This ideology is gay conversion therapy and the bill the op posted the consultation for will make it a criminal offence not to support transing gay kids.

When future generations hold us accountable for the overwhelming harm this is causing they won’t gaf people thought they were ‘being kind’. They will rightly aim their rage at those who opened the door to a mass brainwashing contagion that gave away their legal rights protections and damaged their bodies and minds irreversibly.

@RepentMotherfucker

In all honesty I think schools are always the last ones to the party!

I have been thinking about how to get the message through. I think we need work on Ofsted, the DFE and individual councils. For example lots of school equality policies come direct from councils and they have all been Stonewalled. They need challenging.

FOI requests at who delivers councils EDI training and PSHE training is next on my list.

@RedCarpetRebellion

It is horrifying, and my dd is potentially a statistic in all this.

Am talking to school this week to see what on earth has been going on, and for how long
:(

Be sure what you are asking schools about first.

Check their equality policy represents the equality act. If not that’s one complaint.

Check if they are a member of stonewall diversity champion scheme and if so use transgender trend resources to address it. Schools have a legal duty set out in the education act to be politically neutral- why are any schools paying thousands of precious funds to any organisation that has on their website that they are campaigning to remove single sex exemptions from the equality act, to remove spousal veto, to remove sexual assault by deception clause for trans people because it violates their privacy. Why are they paying a partisan political lobby group to do this. Why are they supporting an organisation where the ceo says lesbianism is sexual racism, societal prejudice and employs a tw who taught ‘how to break through the cotton ceiling seminars’. Why do schools spend so much on one protected characteristic but not others? Where’s the equality impact assessment that shows this is needed for lgbt+ but not those experiencing racism? Or not girls- ofsted peer on peer abuse policy says 9/10 perpetrators are boys and 8/10 victims are girls. Where’s the money to support them? The public sector equality duty means they can not prioritise one pc over another.

Check the PSHE policy. Ask for curriculum plan, organisations they use, visitors they have come in. Take copies of the DfE guidance and curriculum guidance with you and point to the parts they breach.

You need to know your arguments inside and out before you go in.

Good luck.

I don't have much to add other than solidarity.

I have almost 13 year old twin boys and yes, I do worry about this. I don't think they're the types to get bogged down in gender stuff, and they don't have any social media yet, but they are growing up and they are going to be exposed to stuff I can't control.

For now, I try and keep an open dialogue about appropriate online behaviour and talking to me or husband or any other trusted adult should they need some guidance.

@RedCarpetRebellion Thanks for the tips - have downloaded factsheets from the Safe Schools Alliance too.

Posting this again here, for traffic:

Requesting that as many people/parents as possible respond to the consultation on the bill to ban conversion therapy - which has a worryingly broad remit, including child psychology and counselling provision for gender-questioning pre-teens and teens being severely hampered.
Easy access here:
www.transgendertrend.com/guide-government-conversion-therapy-consultation/

And also here:
sex-matters.org/take-action/conversion-therapy-consultation/

• where you can scroll down for a quick response.

And in case anyone’s not aware of what this is about and what we’re up against:
pitt.substack.com/p/a-trans-estrangement?justPublished=true

And if you think it couldn’t happen here - look at the bill, look at the court ruling that puberty blockers may be prescribed for under 16s without parental consent, in the UK. Ask your kids in secondary school about the culture in school.

Find out. Take the red pill, before it’s too late. Please.

DTQ x

One more extremely useful and important link:

lgballiance.org.uk/2021/11/30/lgb-alliances-response-to-the-government-consultation-on-banning-conversion-therapy/

Please look at this stuff.

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I may be bumping this until 23:35 on December 9th :)

That should read 23:55, possibly :D

It is terrifying and I sadly know first had, having a child who is trans. I wanted to get this child a counsellor as I think their issues lie elsewhere but I'm too terrifying of them seeing someone who actually helps puch them down this path. So if anyone knows any good counsellors (not even anti trans just honestly impartial) I'd love any recommendations. I'm kind of frozen in fear, have been for many years because although I don't believe my child in trans, I don't want to make things worse!

@MysteriousMonkey The advice I’ve been given is to find a counsellor or psychologist and ask them appropriate questions, such as how they might structure their approach to helping the child open up and explore how they’re feeling.
I think that finding someone who won’t simply affirm the child’s self-diagnosis is getting more difficult - and this bill will make that even more difficult, if not impossible - but try and find someone who is more open to also looking at co-morbidities such as childhood trauma and/or neuro-diversity.

The essential thing for your child is that they are given time and a neutral environment (without pressures and influences) to develop and explore who they are, and to embrace and value who they are. That means restricting social media and checking what the environment is at school and what influences are being enabled in school, and from which lobby groups, potentially.

I can point you in the direction of Genspect, Transgender Trend, Bayswater Support Group (UK), Safe Schools Alliance. There are folk there who can offer support and advice.

You’re not alone - it seems to be a new pandemic, and the social contagion is significant. I find it similar to eating disorders, in the physical dysphoria and low self-esteem aspect.