AIBU to wonder why France is being blamed for allowing migrants to cross the English channel to uk?

[Rebbecia1234]

Surely, UK has as much responsibility as any other country to accept asylum seekers fleeing from desperate situations? Why should France be tasked with the responsibility of preventing asylum seekers to cross the English channel in boats to the UK?

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

And why on earth would France accept them? Dublin rules no longer apply to the UK...

Exactly - France wouldn't take them back when we were in the EU and they were legally obliged to, they aren't going to now.

I suspect Libya may not be terribly cooperative either.
Indeed that idea was just bonkers

You do realize Dublin rules mean the country of arrival in the EU takes responsibility? Which would very very rarely have been France but rather, Greece, Italy, Spain or Bulgaria. Not France's job to take back migrants from the UK anymore than say Austria's from Germany or Denmark from Sweden.

You do realize Dublin rules mean the country of arrival in the EU takes responsibility? Which would very very rarely have been France but rather, Greece, Italy, Spain or Bulgaria. Not France's job to take back migrants from the UK anymore than say Austria's from Germany or Denmark from Sweden.
Or indeed Libya. My point was to @Fairylights25 that you can't just "deport" people as they seem to think.
This is not a simple issue @Fairylights25 says they can fix it if put in charge for 12 months - that's as ridiculous as it is arrogant - but after 12 months in charge they might at least understand the actual problem.

@supremelybaffled

The French are doing everything they can to look the other way while the migrants leave their shores. They don't want the migrants to stay in France, they are thrilled to see the back of them.

That's true. We travel regularly by motorhome. Ouistreham has migrant camps all over the place - all large groups of young men. They hang about by traffic lights and at roundabouts, and chase after your vehicle to try to get on it. It's very intimidating. The advice to motorhome owners if you have to stay overnight is to be well away from the area as it's just not safe. It's astonishing that it's allowed to continue.

@MLMshouldbeillegal - that's not true. International law does not say that an asylum seeker has to seek asylum in the first country they reach.

@Fairylights25 - France accepts many more refugees than we do already.

[quote luckylavender]@Fairylights25 - France accepts many more refugees than we do already. [/quote]
France has much less population density than us - a similar population in a Country about twice the size - this has all been discussed fully upthread.

I have a theory that the government is actively allowing it to wildly accelerate so public tolerance for it dwindles and then when they bring in something entirely draconian hardly anyone will protest.

@Ozanj

The problem is caused by European countries like France and Italy not taking care of refugees, so they don’t want to register there & try their luck elsewhere. The UK will always be a popular choice as English is spoken so widely. But actually Turkey (and to a lesser extent Egypt and Morocco) is the country that not only accepts the most refugees, it is also the country where most refugees register to stay, so don’t believe the propaganda. Europe doesn’t accept nearly as many refugees as it should.

This.

@FreeBritnee

I have a theory that the government is actively allowing it to wildly accelerate so public tolerance for it dwindles and then when they bring in something entirely draconian hardly anyone will protest.

That theory suggests a level of forethought and planning which is beyond our current government I think.

If France is just such an incredible country why on earth do so many want to come here anyway?! Perhaps it hurts the national pride of France to see so many thousands camped out to try and get to the country next door, maybe it is an affront?

@Fairylights25

If France is just such an incredible country why on earth do so many want to come here anyway?! Perhaps it hurts the national pride of France to see so many thousands camped out to try and get to the country next door, maybe it is an affront?

Don't be ridiculous. The reason the UK is more attractive than France is because it is much easier to stay under the radar in the UK but still be able to access health, work, education, housing etc.

@Fairylights25

If France is just such an incredible country why on earth do so many want to come here anyway?! Perhaps it hurts the national pride of France to see so many thousands camped out to try and get to the country next door, maybe it is an affront?

I see you have not a single answer to any of the practical issues people have pointed out in your ridiculous proposals.

Now you're just engaging in some weird and pointless jingoism - are you Boris Johnson?

Answering the original post...

France is being blamed by your very conservative and mouth piece from government press because after Brexit and the controlling borders slogan, the whole thing has gone to shit.

Reality is not about slogans. The whole first world is under pressure from illegal immigration, from the USA with the border to Mexico, Spain with crossings from Morocco, Germany from Eastern Europe, Italy and Greece from Syria...etc, etc...

Whoever sold the slogan to the UK about protecting borders LIED. The reality is that the UK was protected from illegal migrants thanks to be an island with many borders in Europe who stopped illegals before they got to you. The UK is now a third country and Europe doesn't give a fuck who gets to you. The EU is fighting an illegal war without thinking about how it affects third countries including the UK.

If you don't like it tough. It's the choice you voted for.

The UK is now a third country and Europe doesn't give a fuck who gets to you.

I assume by "Europe" you mean the EU?

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

The UK is now a third country and Europe doesn't give a fuck who gets to you.

I assume by "Europe" you mean the EU?

Which is apparently the same thing according to your government.

Surely, UK has as much responsibility as any other country to accept asylum seekers fleeing from desperate situations? Why should France be tasked with the responsibility of preventing asylum seekers to cross the English channel in boats to the UK?

If that’s the case then why are we blaming Belarus fir allowing immigrants to cross into Poland? Surely it’s Poland’s responsibility to take them in?

Which is apparently the same thing according to your government.

I wasn't asking what they meant - I asked what you meant.
No-one dislikes our government more than me - I was trying to clarify what you were saying.

[quote luckylavender]@Fairylights25 - France accepts many more refugees than we do already. [/quote]
Yep..what gets forgotten ignored is that a lot of the migrants coming up out of Africa have French as their second language..so lots of them do try to claim asylum or somehow settle in France.

The English speakers tend to try and get to the Channel.

Talking of which the CRS (who aren’t known to be cuddly, feely or charitable) went through another camp near the north coast this AM, cleared it out and “insisted” the residents left on coaches to have their status checked….

I’m sure the likes of the DM and other parts of the MSM in the UK will cover the story eventually.

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

Which is apparently the same thing according to your government.

I wasn't asking what they meant - I asked what you meant.
No-one dislikes our government more than me - I was trying to clarify what you were saying.

Apologies if I misunderstood your answer....

The EU is Europe, it's a reality that aside from geography, the UK doesn't belong to politically, economically or in trade. Brexit was about being British and controlling borders to stop freedom of movement with the EU. It also means the UK has the responsibility to control illegals coming from Europe/EU which they have a sea border with. Blaming France or Timbuktu is simply another way to deflect from that responsibility.

One feels sorry for the posters that are caught up in the hostility. I don’t think it’s helpful to swear or to lament that France is the victim here. It will take joint cooperation and tougher regimes on both sides of the channel to fix this.

I am very glad the U.K. government is now free to make changes unencumbered by the bureaucracy of the EU commission, and that we now stand a far better chance of getting on top of this now we are out.
The situation is going to turn very ugly on the polish/Belarus border with macron threatening war - which basically means Russia as this action is orchestrated by Putin - I think we have been here before no? Some time back in history. It didn’t end well then either. Still, at least it helps Macrons stance for a European army….

This is so depressing and so inevitable. Blame the French, blame lazy teachers, blame lazy doctors, blame people for dying of Covid. If this government spent less time on spin and more time doing its job, the U.K. would a far better place currently.

@Fairylights25

One feels sorry for the posters that are caught up in the hostility. I don’t think it’s helpful to swear or to lament that France is the victim here. It will take joint cooperation and tougher regimes on both sides of the channel to fix this.

I am very glad the U.K. government is now free to make changes unencumbered by the bureaucracy of the EU commission, and that we now stand a far better chance of getting on top of this now we are out.
The situation is going to turn very ugly on the polish/Belarus border with macron threatening war - which basically means Russia as this action is orchestrated by Putin - I think we have been here before no? Some time back in history. It didn’t end well then either. Still, at least it helps Macrons stance for a European army….

You really are hilarious

It will take joint cooperation

Which is what I said several pages back - and you then said I was deluded to expect cooperation from the French.

You still haven't explained how your plan to deport people to France and/or Libya (why there?) will work - clearly you are dodging that question as you've been rumbled.

Well why not? Because we can’t house everyone here, so they either provide home country details or they are repatriated to a country paid by us to resettle them. Libya might be an option as they seem open to negotiation. It’s already being explored - similar to the set up Australia have.
Would you be so willing to travel thousands of miles across perfectly safe countries paying huge amounts to people smugglers to end up being deported to Libya? Thought not.
It’s this kind of exploratory solutions that are needed if we are to continue to offer a free national health service, council housing, benefits to the poor, free doctors and schools and something approaching an equal society. We can’t house and feed the world.

@Fairylights25

Well why not? Because we can’t house everyone here, so they either provide home country details or they are repatriated to a country paid by us to resettle them. Libya might be an option as they seem open to negotiation. It’s already being explored - similar to the set up Australia have. Would you be so willing to travel thousands of miles across perfectly safe countries paying huge amounts to people smugglers to end up being deported to Libya? Thought not. It’s this kind of exploratory solutions that are needed if we are to continue to offer a free national health service, council housing, benefits to the poor, free doctors and schools and something approaching an equal society. We can’t house and feed the world.

And your plan to deport people to France?

How will that work?

Still no answer. Because it won't.

Also worth noting that it is impossible to get benefits, housing, access to doctors/schools without paperwork. The same as France and anywhere else. We still treat ill people in hospital of course, but they are also checked but not before treatment as we are a civilised country.

So it’s a nonsense that people come here because they can live under the radar, is that how you comfort yourself that people would rather live in the U.K.? Perhaps it’s more to do with excellent employment opportunities, good education, kind people that aren’t racist on the whole and true opportunity to advance if talented. I’d say that was the bigger draw personally