Do those who identify as Conservative here like Thomas Markle?

[Quirkyme]

Evening,

So I've noticed that Conservatives tend to like Thomas Markle? Why is that? Is that solely due to their hate of Meghan Markle?

I find this a bit concerning, because I feel that regardless of views of Meghan Markle, I think a lot of people, particularly those who may be estranged from their fathers/parents by choice, and those who can just see him for what he is, would agree that she's not done 'wrong' to cut him off and be estranged from her father?

Estrangement has been facilitated by people across political leanings.

But then I see GB News welcoming him with open arms, and all comments under berating Meghan and championing Thomas, and I've also seen this behaviour from Conservatives elsewhere.

So the hate for Meghan goes above her reasons for estrangement, to the point that Conservatives like him and feel sorry for him?

I'm confused.

I mean no offence by this, it's just a pattern I have noticed.

I think it's one thing to not like Meghan, but championing him on the basis of hating Meghan I don't agree with.

@EstuaryBird

I’m assuming (maybe wrongly) that the OP is from the US where being a Democrat or a Republican is much more of an identifier than being Conservative or Labour (or any other) is here. I wouldn’t have a clue about some of my friends’ politics…or their views on the Markles for that matter.

To answer your (very weird) question. I’m Labour and I know little and care less about any Markles and all their drama. There are far more important things in the world to be concerned about.

To answer your (very weird) question. I’m Labour and I know little and care less about any Markles and all their drama. There are far more important things in the world to be concerned about.

I don't think you've answered OP's "very weird" question actually. Not even an attempt. Because your 'answer' isn't relevant to the question. Same with others who say they vote other parties other than Conservative but come in to make snide remarks "in answer to OP's question".

I think these posters care more than they let on, otherwise they wouldn't have bothered to post at all, when the question doesn't even apply to them. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Absolutely no interest in either and have no idea where you've worked out any link between them.and what I vote.

Feel like they are both playing a game, one slightly better than the other.

It's quite a leap OP.

I'm not sure the majority of the british public give much thought to TM and his soap drama relationship with MM, regardless of political persuasion. It's all a bit tacky and classless tbh.

I've just read a very interesting timeline about relations between Meghan and her father up until the Oprah interview. It's well written and researched, makes a change from standard online reporting. It's possible the journalist is showing some bias towards TM but, whatever way you look at it, the royals handled his attendance/non attendance at the wedding really poorly and I guess he hasn't got over it.

I suspect there's an element of cutting his losses with his relationship with her now.

But, interestingly, he gave interviews quite early on in their marriage where he says he could tell she was terrified and trapped, exactly as Meghan claimed later on after she left the UK.

They were close growing up. I suspect he is not a monster.

I vote Labour (well I did up until the GRA debacle, not sure what I'm going to do now).

It's not about politics or race, it's about credibility, morality and decency.

Neither Meghan (and Harry) or her father have much of any of those given their behaviour IMO.

While we're at it lets chuck, Samantha, Thomas Jnr and Andrew in the pot of shitty people and give it a big stir.

They're all either misleading people or airing private family crap in public or both (plus Andrews other alleged offenses). Treating elderly relatives badly, not having the decency to let people grieve in peace, etc, etc,....and the list goes on and on.

But it's fuck all to do with race and everything to do with the fact that none of this lot seem like decent human beings.

Meghan Markle is more disliked than liked, probably across all voting preferences. I think people are interested in what her 'daddy' has to say because he was a loving parent, but is now critical of Harry & Meghan which affirms what people already believe about Meghan.

But then I see GB News welcoming him with open arms, and all comments under berating Meghan and championing Thomas

I suspect that’s probably because he’ll increase viewing figures rather than because of any political beliefs. Some people enjoy watching others air their dirty laundry in public and will tune in specifically to see if that happens, especially those who don’t like MM. Of course they’d welcome that.

I’m not a Tory. I don’t have any feelings about MM one way or the other. But I think TM and his family may have had a better relationship with MM if they’d all kept their gobs shut and avoided the limelight.

@JustFrustrated

Bizarre question, and really shows quite a low level of intelligence.

It's akin to asking if you hate all fruit because you don't like mangos.

(To which my answer would be, I dislike most fruit, but love grapes and British strawberries, and conference pears fyi)

Have voted for lib dem and conservatives in the past.

Can't stand Thomas Markle based on the snippets I've read. Also don't particularly like MM. Thought she was a poor actress and is far too open about personal issues for my taste. That being said, I appreciate she's a good role model for girls who really need it, she dresses fabulously and she's banging the only royal I would, so we aren't that far apart after all.

Hope that helps your weird musings.

Bizarre question, and really shows quite a low level of intelligence.

It's akin to asking if you hate all fruit because you don't like mangos.

(To which my answer would be, I dislike most fruit, but love grapes and British strawberries, and conference pears fyi)

I see you're one of those posters who think insulting other people's intelligence - unprovoked - makes you look superior. Sadly, not when you've made a rather unintelligent comparison.

It's definitely not like what you've written but since you're so intelligent, go on, think again. I won't spoon-feed you with the answer. Perhaps your particular brand of intelligence needs activating, if you seriously made that comparison as if it's the same.

I am a conservative party member - having joined in order to vote against Boris Johnson for PM.

However, I don't recall requiring to have any view at all on either of these people - which is good, as I literally do not care for either of them, or Harry, or Andrew.

@Griefmonster

I sort of understand what you mean *@Quirkyme*, probably because I am estranged from a parent and TMs behaviour is so painfully obvious to me as actions of deeply emotionally immature man.

There does seem to be a certain "type" of similar levels of emotional immaturity amongst leading right wing men in particular. Although clearly this is a characteristic that knows no political bounds. Many a left wing person can (and does) display breathtaking arrogance and dysfunctional behaviour. Often the left turns a blind eye to this in a very similar way to the right.

To my mind, the "right wing" media's love of TM is a purely anti-MM agenda. It is not because they think TM is right or believable but because he is saying what they want to push as a narrative. He is convenient.

I would say most people who side with TM do so because they don't want to believe MM.

I used to love MM and largely still do but can see her flaws more now. I have absolutely no doubt though that TM is a deeply damaging, emotionally abusive and manipulative man who is being enabled and encouraged by a deeply cynical and manipulative media machine.

Agree

I’m not a fan of Meghan but I thoroughly dislike Thomas Markle and how he has treated his daughter so far.
Particularly his threat to do an interview about her / their relationship on a monthly basis until she contacts him is utterly despicable IMO. I wouldn’t want anything to do with this man if I were Meghan and I think she’s 100% in the right to completely ignore him. He seems very toxic and his claims that he has a right to see his grandchildren would piss me right off if I were Meghan.

I like the question! It's off the wall and makes a nice change from Aibu To Be Annoyed My Dp Does No Housework type standard fodder.

Those comments from JustFrustrated are just awful and the OP's question is nothing like the fruit analogy.

There's some odd views about the media on here too. The media are not emotionally invested in any of this. They don't care or like anyone. It's about ratings and finding content to fill 24-hr news schedules.
You also have to remember that catfishing applies to online commenters as much as dating apps. Every big PR house will have paid staff beavering away online to try to generate column inches, sway public opinion, manufacture arguments because it keeps their story in the news, etc.

This place gets weirder every day.

Conservative voter, think he's vile.

I know a lot of Conservative voters, but I can honestly say I have never discussed Thomas Markle with another living soul.

What a ridiculous question

I like Meghan Markle more than I like Jennifer Arcuri. Hope that helps.

I think there might be a very weak correlation along the lines of conservatives aren't anti racist or they wouldn't vote for a racist party.

I think GB News have him on because anything anti-Meghan gets their viewers excited, rather than because Conservatives admire TM. The Conservatives I know wish none of them got any coverage.

Meghan = woke, supposedly barrier breaking, liberal

Conservatives = traditional, generally pro-monarchy, small c conservative.

Each threatened by the other. Both a waste of time that miss the point

@A580Hojas

I like the question! It's off the wall and makes a nice change from Aibu To Be Annoyed My Dp Does No Housework type standard fodder.

Those comments from JustFrustrated are just awful and the OP's question is nothing like the fruit analogy.

I like the question! It's off the wall and makes a nice change from Aibu To Be Annoyed My Dp Does No Housework type standard fodder.

Agree. We need more "weird" aibu questions to get people thinking frothing.

What the hell is it about posters who assume that people who disagree with them on one thing are probably the exact same people who [insert everything else that you find dislikeable about people]?

Good try OP but a bit too complicated a theory to make it as goady as it could have been.