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AIBU or are my kids awful

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legalseagull · 13/11/2021 08:20

I'm so hurt. I have a 3yo DD and 2yo DS. They're amazing kids (obviously)

Last Christmas we spent it at my mum and step dads. Three nights. At that point the kids were JUST turned 3 and 1. Both were terrible sleepers. My eldest was also in the terrible 2's. Plus it was Christmas and a year of lockdown so the first time staying away. so over excited and stimulated. That being said, I don't think they were too bad. The break ended in the biggest argument I've ever had with my mum though. After days of little digs every time one of the whinged or tantrummed (for example when 1yo got upset that her dog stole his toy), it came to a end when they were screaming not to go to bed. They kept opening the bedroom door and shouting to come down. DH went up to calm them and DM started her "no wonder they cry if you pander / spoiling / lack discipline routine.

Fast forward to last weekend. We went again for three nights (they live far away). They're now a year older and generally much happier and calmer. All weekend they were brilliant in my view. A delight. On the last day they were obviously shattered, falling asleep etc. Step dad made Sunday lunch and the kids wouldn't eat it. "No. Don't want it". They also both threw admittedly huge tantrums when trying to leave. Thankfully my mum seems to have learnt to bite her lip. Step dad however started saying how he "didn't envy us. Kids playing up. Lacking discipline. Naughty at dinner. You need to do X Y Z"

AIBU to think they're pretty normal kids and it's just their ages, and being so close in age meaning they wind each other up?! I'm so upset that my parents ignore the 3 days of wonderful behaviour and just judge and criticise me for the bad. We don't feel welcome there at all. As soon as the kids whinge or strop I instantly feel judged and then get told all the things I'm doing wrong.

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NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 13/11/2021 15:44

"I would agree with this comment.
Sometimes either the grandparents forget or they view it all through rose tinted classes. Or sometimes they are just out of the habit of dealing with toddlers.

There may also be other factors at play due to your historical relationshiop with them. Jealousy even.

I had one of my grown up siblings voice criticisms about my toddler even though she had never had kids of her own. No idea of how that tiredness/hungry/unfamiliar environment/excitement thing can play out with toddlers and disrupt their routine, especially on special occasions like Christmas where expectations generally run high anyway with all concerned, and where to be honest there is usually a lot of sweets/sugary food involved which tends to hype them up anyway.

I also used to get a lot of flack for trying to limit their sugar intake on such occasions. Some but not all granparents see it as an act of love to give sweets etc.

Not so much for the parents. I totally noticed throughout DD's younger years that her behaviour was always more hyper when she ate party foods, or too much sugar. Occasionally of course it is fine, but a parent can't be blamed for wanting to stick to a routine because they know it works best.

Outdoors helps. But then again older folks (and I now class myself as one of those) may be reluctant to brave the weather.
With toddlers though, it really helps for them to burn their steam off outdoors...

So as a mum you have got a whole load of different needs going on there and a mismatch.

If you ask me that is where the arguments come from.
Hungry/not right types of foods as Christmas
Expectations (too high on their part and possibly yours_

It's like that thing that people say going on holiday with kids is never a holiday. (Except perhaps if it an extremely child friendly hotel where everything is organised, you can be outdoors and it is a kids club) and adults can have a few hours off.

Just something that looking back on it all I wish I had worked out earlier.

But parenting doesn't come with instructions or a manual. Therefore even more important to exchange on here so that you don't blame yourself.

Just the way toddlers are."

I loved this post @beigebrownblue

Yes, it's a big mismatch. And it's upsetting when as a mum you're doing overtime to try to make it all work, based on all your near-invisible knowledge about what your children need and like and think and feel, and all you get is criticism when the wheels come off.

YANBU OP.

I really hope if/when I'm a grandparent I'll be able to acknowledge what my children are doing rather than grumble that they're getting it wrong. My DC are still small - I hope I'll remember.

Chasingaftermidnight · 13/11/2021 16:00

Agree with everyone else about selective memories/blurred memories. Both sets of grandparents in our family have this, especially my in-laws. Apparently my husband slept through the night from day one, never woke up early always ate whatever was put in front of him and never had a tantrum. What a miraculous child!

MarmaladeToastAndAMarmaladeCat · 13/11/2021 16:38

I have children a little older than yours with the same age gap and this sort of behaviour sounds very familiar to me. Especially when we are away somewhere and they are overtired, have wound each other up and are out of their normal routine. I’ve had similar comments from my dad and mil and it is annoying. I smile and nod generally but it does get to me when they act as if we were always well behaved when we weren’t and that it was all down to their superior parenting. Nothing to do with the fact I was terrified of my dad because one wrong move would end in me being smacked.

Muchuseaschocolateteapot · 13/11/2021 16:39

My twins are nearly 18 so it’s been a while since we had toddlers to look after, but my sister in law brings her 18 month old around every now and then and it’s EXHAUSTING! SIL is a lot younger than her siblings and it is a really tricky balance between studiously ignoring tantrums and wanting to give advice that you genuinely think might help. Perhaps that is how the grandparents feel with you OP? You are used to the maelstrom of baby/toddler life so your lives are full and very busy I would imagine and if your little ones are unsettled by change perhaps your parents could come to you?

I’ll give you an example of what I mean. When my nephew was a little baby he was crying and his parents were trying to get him off to sleep. His dad was shushing him, only after a while did we realise he was actually shushing all the adults in the room into silence. We all stood like statues in silence for about 15 minutes until he fell asleep. They felt it best that the house was silent for him to sleep. My husband said to his sister that she should let him get used to a bit of noise. Fast forward 18 months and once he has gone to bed at 7pm you can’t flush the loo, shower or have your phone ringer on. His parents are used to it and it’s their choice but of course for the rest of the family it’s either amusing or irritating. Their child and their choice, but it wears thin pretty quickly when they are staying with you!

NeverTheHootenanny · 13/11/2021 16:57

If you were there for three days and the only massive tantrum was on the last day, then you’re doing amazingly well in my book.
My two year old has several meltdowns daily. Your parents would be horrified.

beachtosunset · 13/11/2021 17:18

Avoid Christmas with Mum and SD

Enjoy your childen at home just your happy unit Smile

legalseagull · 13/11/2021 19:45

@NeverTheHootenanny

If you were there for three days and the only massive tantrum was on the last day, then you’re doing amazingly well in my book. My two year old has several meltdowns daily. Your parents would be horrified.
Thank you. I mean, they whinge and fight with each other a bit every day, but at my mums they were so distracted by all the lovely surroundings (she lives on a farm whereas we're in a city). They were a bloody dream.

I'll try not to take it personally. I remember SD actually being the same with our dog when he was a pup. He hated him and told me regularly how awful he was and that I was allowing him to be 'too dog' Hmm Needless to say at 6 years old he's now a lovely dog and it was just age.

We're going to have Christmas here! We'll go up there for New year, but we've decided to get an Air BNB on the pretext of it being too noisy for the kids to sleep during their house party. Perfect

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Meatshake · 13/11/2021 20:08

It's a generational thing (and yes I am generalising, no I'm not ageist)

When I was young, consensus was generally that tantrums were a sign of a naughty, willful, disobedient child and should beaten out of tthechild.

hToday I thinkmost people recognise a tantrum as a child communicating that they are overtired, overstimulated or have big feelings that they are struggling to communicate effectively.

legalseagull · 13/11/2021 20:18

You really have all made me feel so much better. Thank you so much

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clatterclatter · 13/11/2021 20:32

Glad you are feeling better OP. As everyone has said it’s selective memory and the fact that many previous generations parented via fear as default.

It amuses me (only very slightly) that we seem to have a bit of an opposite situation going on with my parents. DS is king and can do no wrong in their eyes. He gets away with murder at their house. And when I was a kid we literally never put a foot wrong for fear of my dad. My childhood memories of him are him losing his temper and shouting at us about something inconsequential on repeat for 18 years.

DeepaBeesKit · 13/11/2021 21:30

Yanbu

But I would have different expectations of your nearly 4 yo vs 2 yo.

Nearly 4 I would expect not to be outright refusing a meal unless it was something quite odd/not child friendly etc.

EmeraldShamrock · 13/11/2021 21:58

They forget how things were with their own DC plus old style disciplinary tactics no longer exist thankfully.

Borrasca · 14/11/2021 08:49

Thank you so much for starting this thread @legalseagull - I feel so on edge when I go to my parents, so it's a relief to know that I'm not alone and will just add to my resolve for next time they start!

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