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To tell childs father he can't pick him up this late at night

89 replies

Rosesarered22 · 09/11/2021 18:05

Posted here for traffic.

Desperate for some help to do with a co-parenting matter.
Child is 2 years old.
I left his dad at the beginning of the year. He's father and I agreed that he could pick him up at 5.30pm and return him at 7.30pm twice a week.
However, I told him right from the start that he had to cut his overtime as soon as he could so he could pick him up and return him earlier as i felt this was too late for our child to be out.
All this year its been one excuse after the other. People are off with covid, he has to cover. Holidays etc etc. He's actually work hours mean he starts early and finishes early but he chooses to do overtime.
We had mediation a few months ago and even she agreed with me and he was told he had a week to sort something out. This was a couple of months ago and he's done nothing about it and ignored my 2 requests on another conversation about it.
The nights are now dark and cold.
Bit of backstory, he was emotionally abusive and still is. I have written a statement, I am seeking help bit it's all been a long process.
He laughs at me when I say I am his primary carer and in charge of his daily routine. He has parental responsibility the same as me so thinks it's his right to have his son when he wants. Regardless of how it doesn't work.
I took it upon myself to finally write to him to say I was suggesting he now picks him up at 4.30pm and returns him at 6.30pm.
He wrote back saying the best he could do is 5pm till 7pm until after Christmas.
He also has him at the weekends so this isn't his only time with him but im so angry cos he's not thinking about our child at all.
But I can't argue with him. I'm scared to death of him and I know if I just say that's it, child is not leaving the house that late so you can't see him unless yo sort something out, he will flip and I'm in the process of trying to get a non-molestation order so at the moment there is nothing to protect me from his abuse.
He's just gone off with him this evening and he was already so tired and just wanted to stay in and cuddle. He's usually in bed asleep by 7.15pm other evenings and he has phased out of his naps.
But when he comes back at 7.30pm he is cold, and overtired and wired and it throws him out of his routine. He won't go to bed till 9pm and then he's tired the next day and ratty.
I've even resorted to ringing nspcc because I don't know where I stand but this is about the welfare of our child. He's so little still and it's not fair on him.
I'm waiting for a call back from them.
Child arrangements could take months to sort and by then it will be getting warmer again. Meaning my poor little one has to go all winter with these arrangements.
Any advice please.

OP posts:
Viviennemary · 09/11/2021 22:00

I dont think your ex's behaviour is at all unreasonable. He has to work. Calling the nspcc because your child comes back at 7.30. Absolutely ridiculous. I agree an overnight stay would be more practical

underneaththeash · 09/11/2021 22:08

7.30 is far too late for a toddler. It will be then another hour before he's settled. @DartmoorChef, @saoirse31 do you actually have small children?
If he's in bed asleep. by 7.15 usually, he needs to be in by 6.15 at latest.

Butchyrestingface · 09/11/2021 22:13

I've even resorted to ringing nspcc because I don't know where I stand but this is about the welfare of our child. He's so little still and it's not fair on him.
I'm waiting for a call back from them.

Suspect you could be waiting a while.

Btw, why do you keep referring to your little boy as "my/the child?" It sounds a bit ...formal.

thisyearsuckssofar · 09/11/2021 22:35

Perhaps you could come to a compromise and get ex to bathe and return him in fleecy sleepsuit ready for bed ?

Purplebear37 · 09/11/2021 22:53

I agree with you OP in that it is too late a bedtime and disruptive to his routine. Mumsnet isn't reflective of real life. I'm also trying to coparent with a petulant twat of a dad who only thinks about his own rights and not what's best for the children.

Winterautumn · 09/11/2021 23:18

He’s only 2, does he not have an afternoon nap?
I think 7:30 would be okay, but since it’s not working for you and your son, ask for a lawyer to sent him a request in writing if he’s not willing to compromise at all .

Thinking2041 · 09/11/2021 23:41

It must be hard to see him be forced to go out. My toddlers were exhausted by 5pm abs needing to wind down. Not go out. But all you can do is keep trying to reason with him

Nidan2Sandan · 10/11/2021 09:07

I voted YABU, but only because I think in a legal sense you may well struggle here as its really typical for children to not even be leaving nursery till 6PM.

My kids always went to bed at 6PM at that age, as they were early risers but grotty in the evenings so I do get what you're saying. But unless he's got your son out tramping around the woods till 7.30pm I think you'll find arguing its unreasonable really hard..

As long as he looks after your son, hes warm, dry and fed I think you need to pick your battles. I agree with other posters in suggesting he does the bedtime routine with your son, gets him all ready for bed and brings him home.

Babyiskickingmyribs · 10/11/2021 09:26

OP, I don’t think the really upsetting thing here is actually the exact timings. There isn’t a universal perfect bedtime for all 2year olds. Children are different in how much sleep they need, and what time is considered reasonable varies hugely between different cultures. I live somewhere where no one bats an eyelid at the fact my 2year old didn’t go to sleep before 10pm last night (I aim for 9 usually but he wasn’t playing ball last night). But 2hour afternoon naps are also normal here. This is why people are being rude about you calling NSPCC. That said, your child has a routine that works for them and for you, where he goes to sleep just after 7pm. Your ex is not respecting your wishes about keeping to this routine. He is trampling all over your reasons and your concerns and your ability to parent how you wish and this is distressing for you. He’s an arse and you have my sympathy. People saying pick your battles aren’t saying that you shouldn’t be upset by your ex ignoring your wishes. They are saying that you need to use the things you CAN control to limit how much impact your exes disregard for your wishes and opinions has on your daily life. And to save your energy to fight your ex on the things that are less adaptable.

BaconMassive · 10/11/2021 09:31

Probably best to fight your battles yourself and not through your child.

Darbs76 · 10/11/2021 09:54

I don’t think you want to listen to other people’s opinions, rather just wanted everyone to agree with you. 7.30pm isn’t that late. Why can’t he get straight to bed when he arrives back? Assume he’s eaten? Why 9pm.

KurtWilde · 10/11/2021 10:03

@Darbs76

I don’t think you want to listen to other people’s opinions, rather just wanted everyone to agree with you. 7.30pm isn’t that late. Why can’t he get straight to bed when he arrives back? Assume he’s eaten? Why 9pm.
It does seem that way, and the ex has already shuffled it to back at 7pm instead so it's hardly the middle of the night even for a 2yo. Due to logistics our 2yo bedtime ends up being a bit later most weeks and whilst not ideal it's also not the end of the world. Work is an essential, it's not like he's picking him up later because he's socialising!
Skeumorph · 10/11/2021 10:09

Box clever.

Arrange some evenings out until 7.15 :)

'That's great. I've arranged to see a friend which will be a nice evening break. See you at 7.30'

Hint at doing a class that ends at 7 on one of his nights.

Oh dear all of a sudden it probably won't be possible for him to have DS after 6.30 on the Wednesday, no you can't see your friends or go to a class you selfish cow... :) :) :)

And (thought twats like this generally don't care about how their children feel)

'It's such a shame that he doesn't want to go with you because he's so tired. Hopefully he'll get used to it, I really don't want him just associating visiting you with being tired and unhappy. Oh well it is what it is!'

SleepingStandingUp · 10/11/2021 10:27

he is cold, and overtired and wired why is he cold OP? Are they walking the streets for 2 hours or does he not have heating on? Wired from overtired or from the he's eating?

Ideally I'd say agree to 5-7 but ask he comes back in pj's. Then you wash face, do teeth and get him in bed for 7.15

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