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AIBU to resent having mixed cultural backgrounds?

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TannyFickler · 08/11/2021 22:21

I’m well into adulthood, and I resent having parents from two different countries/cultures. I never feel like I belong anywhere and I was very aware of this even as a child. Anyone else feel similarly? For reference, one parent is from the UK, I had some minor racism aimed at me in primary and secondary school but barely anything.

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RubaiyatOfAnyone · 09/11/2021 12:04

I think to some extent it is a condition of many adults, regardless of their cultural or ethnic background. Not everyone suffers from it, but many do and I think that being mixed race or an expat will always crystalise it for those that do.

It is the feeling of being nostalgic or longing for a security, a place, an acceptance, that may not even exist. There is a Welsh word Hiraeth that is homesickness for a place you can not return to. I believe that Japanese has many different ways of expressing this melancholy wish for a home that is viewed from afar.

SnackSizeRaisin · 09/11/2021 12:05

The UK is still very much tribal - it shows in politics, football, nationalism, etc. Being exposed to different cultures via media hasn't changed that.

Disagree. I know very few people who care about football, for those who do they don't choose their friends based on it. I don't generally discuss politics with friends. Many of them don't even vote. Broad political issues such as the NHS are just as likely to be agreed upon by a mixed race person as a white person. I don't doubt there are some areas of the UK where people still feel that these things matter (northern Ireland maybe?) But in your average modern UK town or city, people really don't get suspicious of people because they don't support the same football team.

TannyFickler · 09/11/2021 12:16

PRESENTS FROM MY AUNTS IN PAKISTAN

They sent me a salwar kameez
peacock-blue,
and another
glistening like an orange split open,
embossed slippers, gold and black
points curling.
Candy-striped glass bangles
snapped, drew blood.
Like at school, fashions changed
in Pakistan -
the salwar bottoms were broad and stiff,
then narrow.
My aunts chose an apple-green sari,
silver-bordered
for my teens.

I tried each satin-silken top -
was alien in the sitting-room.
I could never be as lovely
as those clothes -
I longed
for denim and corduroy.
My costume clung to me
and I was aflame,
I couldn't rise up out of its fire,
half-English,
unlike Aunt Jamila.

I wanted my parents' camel-skin lamp -
switching it on in my bedroom,
to consider the cruelty
and the transformation
from camel to shade,
marvel at the colours
like stained glass.

My mother cherished her jewellery -
Indian gold, dangling, filigree,
But it was stolen from our car.
The presents were radiant in my wardrobe.
My aunts requested cardigans
from Marks and Spencers.

My salwar kameez
didn't impress the schoolfriend
who sat on my bed, asked to see
my weekend clothes.
But often I admired the mirror-work,
tried to glimpse myself
in the miniature
glass circles, recall the story
how the three of us
sailed to England.
Prickly heat had me screaming on the way.
I ended up in a cot
In my English grandmother's dining-room,
found myself alone,
playing with a tin-boat.

I pictured my birthplace
from fifties' photographs.
When I was older
there was conflict, a fractured land
throbbing through newsprint.
Sometimes I saw Lahore -
my aunts in shaded rooms,
screened from male visitors,
sorting presents,
wrapping them in tissue.

Or there were beggars, sweeper-girls
and I was there -
of no fixed nationality,
staring through fretwork
at the Shalimar Gardens.

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TannyFickler · 09/11/2021 12:22

Moniza Alvi

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HappyDays40 · 09/11/2021 12:23

Hi OP I haven't personally experienced this but my close friend was born in India to Indian who had lost all their families in the partition but still maintained lotalty to the colonial power and answered the call for GPs in the UK. She was five years old and went through he UK school system. She doesn't speak her mother tongue well (Hindi) and has a Northern English accent.
She has attended a womens group for women who are (as she defines herself) BIPOC and found that although she is and looks Indian she found that she was too British for people in that group who called her "coconut" and in the spaces where people were mainly white she found herself as the " token Indian" her words not mine!
She said she feels trapped between two cultures. Can't imagine how it must feel to not feel like you fit anywhere. I am really working on my subconscious biases ( difficult and uncomfortable) hopefully we will progress to a place where people who are not of white heritage feel that they do belong.
Sorry you feel his way OP.

thepeopleversuswork · 09/11/2021 12:27

@evtheria

There are some members of this community where I live, yes. She is learning the language on duolingo but its no substitute for the kind of immersion you get by talking to people. Unfortunately her dad is hopeless at this: when we were married I hassled him to speak to her in his native language but he didn't do it then and still doesn't now. Her paternal grandmother doesn't speak any English and that's actually been quite useful as it forces her to speak this language when they are on video calls: its awkward but it makes her speak to communicate.

I would like her to take classes in the language and will push for that to happen when she gets to secondary if its offered. It's just fitting it in on top of everything else. But it is important.

AngelDelight28 · 09/11/2021 12:54

@RubaiyatOfAnyone I love that there is a word for that.
I'm not mixed race, both my parents and all my extended family are from the same country but we emigrated to the UK when I was a child, at that awkward "tween" age. I'd never even been abroad from my home country before then. We ended up in a small, conservative town where I stuck out like a sore thumb. Although I integrated eventually (at least on the surface) I never felt like I really fitted in and have moved around a lot since then, always looking for that elusive sense of belonging.
I only ever experienced it in my home country when I was a child but too much time has passed now...even if I go back it won't be the same as I've changed and no longer fit in there either. And, several political regimes later, the country is so different to what I remember. So I'm homesick for a way of life that no longer exists.
It used to cause me so much angst and I totally get what OP is feeling. You don't feel like you truly belong anywhere or that you have a clear nationality.
But recently I decided to accept and embrace my "otherness". The way I see it, being of mixed cultures/third culture/international, whatever you want to call it, is an identity in itself, just like being "from" somewhere is an identity.
What helped me was my love of books. I have amassed a collection by authors of my home country who are part of the huge diaspora that happened around the time we emigrated. Plus those who remained in the country at the time of the upheavals and have written about those times.
When I get angsty I re-read them and am comforted by the knowledge that there are people of my culture all over the world with similar experiences and feelings.
The rest of the time I keep myself busy and enjoy my life in the UK, and try to count my blessings.

PrincessNutella · 09/11/2021 12:59

This is very interesting to me. My kids are mixed culture, and my son is about to marry someone from a far more "different" culture. I'm glad you are being honest about the ways it is hard to belong to two different groups, OP!

Charley50 · 09/11/2021 13:08

I'm half white English and half a Mediterranean culture (as per a PP, I'm not mentioning country because it's outing etc).

Like you @TannyFickler, my parents didn't get on, and my dad was abusive and also very strict. It was an enormous culture clash, and I hated the Mediterranean part growing up (apart from some of the food). I wasn't taught the language and didn't hang out with other young people from that culture, not relating to them at all. All my friends were white English, or Caribbean heritage. I wasn't 'allowed out' like most of my friends were, although I made up for it when I got a bit older.

Having an abusive parent caused many personal issues, especially for my male siblings, but that was more the abusiveness, rather than the culture, although it is one known for being very strict on females. and fairly misogynistic (I think?!!).

As an adult I like who I am and like my mixture of heritage. I'm happier in my skin now as an older adult, and if I go on holiday there and people ask why I can't speak 'my' language, I just blame my dad. I feel no shame in that.

I think there's a bit of an industry in 'otherness' at the moment, that sometimes seeps into claiming victim status, simply for having a different upbringing from the perceived status quo. In UK cities it is fairly standard to be from a mixed background or a non-white British background, with a large amount of cultural representation.

HawaiiCalling · 09/11/2021 13:10

@AngelDelight28 Your story is interesting and I think I'd actually say it's a bit different from the OP's because for someone like you, who's actually lived somewhere else, it's to be expected and understandable that you'll feel a sense of home or longing for that place too. (I know not everyone does and that's okay too).

Whereas with the OP's story, she hasn't lived anywhere else. I acknowledge that the OP's family situation with the culture clash that she experienced growing up didnt help this. So I also understand her inner conflict.

Also, I totally get the different levels of wanting to belong or understand one's heritage, and this isn't minimising that.

As a pp wrote, it can be different being expected to want to call somewhere home or that you need to belong to somewhere you've never been simply because your parents or ancestors happened to have been born there.

I think my post has been a bit jumbled as I'm trying to be clear but the point is I've found your story interesting as well as other people's on this thread. Definitely the OP's too. Like pieces of a puzzle, there are some similarities and differences in each one.

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AngelDelight28 · 09/11/2021 13:35

@HawaiiCalling Yes, I've found the thread and all the different experiences and viewpoints really interesting.
I always thought if you were at least born in the Uk it would be easier to feel British. If I say I'm British I feel like I'm somehow lying, even though I've got a British passport and have spent 2/3 of my life here. But it seems like even being born here isn't a guarantee that you'd feel like you belong.

HawaiiCalling · 09/11/2021 13:44

@AngelDelight28 Yes, that's what I'm saying too. I totally agree with you.Smile It should be easier when you've only known one home. And people shouldn't be made to feel they need to call the other place home if they don't want to, especially if they have no ties to it other than parents/grandparents being born there.

But I know it isn't as easy for some people for many reasons, so I'm acknowledging that part too.

For me, it's like what a pp said, home is wherever i make it and wherever I go next. I agree.

evtheria · 09/11/2021 13:46

@thepeopleversuswork Your daughter is fortunate to have your support with this, I wish you the best of luck!

AngelDelight28 · 09/11/2021 13:47

As for the Uk being "tribal" as someone mentioned...I think it's very tribal when it comes to class more than anything else. In my home country, yes there were people with more money than others, but class wasn't really an identity in the way it is in the UK. I'd say the class divisions are even stronger than race.

HollaHolla · 09/11/2021 13:58

I’m mixed heritage, and actually quite enjoy it. My dad is mixed race, from South Africa. His family managed to move here through his (white) dad’s job in the Navy. So, he missed out on a lot of his wider family’s terrible experience under apartheid. It also meant that we didn’t know an awful lot about that, or his home country, because it was a no go area, and he moved to the UK when he was 7.

My mum is white Scottish/Irish, and we grew up largely in Scotland. I feel Scottish/British (I would support Scotland at rugby/the UK in the Olympics, for example!) My siblings and I look white (until the sun catches us, and we suddenly look like we’ve been spray tanned!), so we haven’t really experienced overt racism, but I know my grandparents did (obviously why they left RSA, but also in the UK) - and my dad and his siblings were given grief at school because their mum was not ethnically white British. They moved from the south of England to Scotland in the 1960s, when there weren’t many mixed race families around. We were brought up to feel that this mix of cultures made us special, and was to be celebrated. We got to have additional festivals to celebrate, ans special foods to have, for example.

When the apartheid regime fell, and things became more ‘open’, we were lucky enough to have a family trip back to RSA. We all learned of our shared heritage by visiting places my gran and grandad had gone, knew, and grew up. It has taken effort, but we now truly feel that we have experience in both heritages, and I’ve been back again another few times (with, and without, family). I am also clued into the more readily available parts of mum’s heritage, as we always used to visit Ireland to see her wider family, etc.

I think that the warring of parents is the main issue here. If they use their differences as something to hold against each other, rather than something to celebrate, then that’s the real issue.

Inthesameboatatmo · 09/11/2021 14:00

I hear you op.
English,Scottish, Indian and persian here, don't look like I have any white at all I only look Arab . My sisters look white ,pale with blond hair only my brother and myself take after our father.
Not enough of one to be considered part of any unfortunately for me but I completely understand where you are coming from .

sandgrown · 09/11/2021 14:10

I am mixed race Asian/ British and have never met my father .I am often asked if I am Spanish/Italian/Greek . I would like to know about my father and his culture but I view myself as white British as that’s my upbringing with a sprinkling of my mum’s Irish heritage and traditions. I had a DNA test in later life that confirmed my heritage and after years of uncertainty I am proud to admit it

passionfruitpizza · 09/11/2021 14:12

I feel a bit like that. One parent from
UK not England, been made to feel I can't be properly from there because of my skin colour/features. Don't feel like I fit in with other heritage either because I don't speak the language.

Merryoldgoat · 09/11/2021 15:11

Parents have to arm is with the tools to go out into the world and claim our place without fear.

Im mixed black Caribbean and white British but by white father fucked off before I was born. I’m mixed but brought up by a black family in south London.

My aunts and uncles had partners of all/any ethnicity, my cousins and I whilst obviously not ‘white’ look like we could be many ethnicities.

I’ve never felt anything other than British. I was born here, raised here, and my family were/are part of this country.

We were all told we were worthy of a good life and good things.

They did many things poorly but they did a great job of instilling self worth in us and our confidence that we are part of this country as well as my grandmother’s ‘home’ country.

So many people have mixed children without actually thinking about what it means - you see it on here all the time.

Too many children are born to parents with myriad cultural differences that remain unresolved and utterly fuck up their kids.

It’s our duty as parents to show our children how to take their place and show them how to belong.

GreenFlipFlop · 09/11/2021 15:46

@Buggritbuggrit But I am also a black African who you have picked apart suggesting I don't have a problem with Imperial Colonialism?! Are you more African than me for calling me out on my language use? Perhaps not specifically stating I was West African was the issue? Or I shouldn't have described my family and culture the way I've always understood and experienced it growing up and when I've visited? I have already explained that I didn't want to out myself and you still persisted not to look at the experience I shared but tell me I'm wrong. As you said, you had the benefit of spending time in Nigeria and the UK at feel at home at both. I have not. Thankyou for further highlighting my 'otherness'.

This thread was not about this. I'm sorry you feel this way OP, I can definitely relate is what I meant by sharing my post.

Buggritbuggrit · 09/11/2021 16:20

@GreenFlipFlop The fact that you are also African doesn’t mean your language cannot be problematic or that I can’t state that I have a problem with it. It doesn’t make me ‘more African than you’, it makes me a person with every right to do so calling out the conflation of African cultures.

You can describe your family and your culture however you choose. However, using language that alludes to a monolithic ‘black African’ culture is what I take issue with. I’ve said this, and I’ve said why. I have not been unclear and I am not required to tolerate culturally inappropriate language in order not to make you feel othered for using it. Your feelings aren’t more important than mine. If you don’t want to be called out, then don’t use said language.

I also didn’t ‘persist’ in any communication with you. I made my initial comment to you stating my discomfort, you responded, and I haven’t addressed you since. I have, however, responded to the aggression and (now deleted by MN) dogwhistle racism of snack (who you thanked, I should note).

KitBumbleB · 09/11/2021 16:29

I had a similar thread earlier OP

I am 3/4 Egyptian and 1/4 White British and pale AF.
I was viciously bullied at primary school (why why why do we have to study Ancient Egypt?!) because kids assumed I was making my Egyptian heritage up for attention... despite my brother also being at the same school and being much darker skinned.... critical thinking skills were clearly not their strength...

I am "white passing" and feel excluded from both of my races, despite being much more ethically North African.

I had my (surprisingly racist) white grandad's last name and a name I could shorten to a British name, for example, Samara to Sam.

I've even had people pull up their sleeves and say I cant be mixed race because they are darker than me ...

I was raised in a traditional, almost stereotypical North African household (still not a Dr dad...sorry...) And it really clashed with what I believe is a normal British upbringing, someone else mentioned sleepovers..ha..forget it! I think my standard answer to friend's invites was "lol... I'm not white"..

So yeah, I completely get what you are saying OP

ShiftingSands21 · 09/11/2021 16:54

An interesting recurring theme I see - and which I can relate to - is people struggling because they don’t look like they are expected to based on their heritage. I think this would surprise people who haven’t had this experience and I suspect people might be more aware of the issue of people struggling because of the ways they do look, rather than the ways they don’t.

TannyFickler · 09/11/2021 17:00

Oh God, the “no sleepovers” facepalm

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