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To think Dumbledore was a massive cheater?

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Slytherine · 07/11/2021 17:44

Just finished watching the first Harry Potter film on TV and forgot about the injustice for the Slytherins at the end. I have changed my name in solidarity.

So the Slytherins get the most House Points (presumably fairly as most of the professors at Hogwarts could barely hide their disdain for Slytherin House so wouldn’t have been dishing out points to them for no reason) and are sat there enjoying their win of the House Cup, and celebrating with the room decorated in their House colours, and then former Gryffindor Dumbledore just decides (even though the school year was officially over!!) to throw out an unreasonable amount of points to Harry, Hermione and Ron drawing them level with Slytherin, and then a further 10 points to Neville pushing Gryffindor over the edge and into the win. And then, just to rub salt into the wound, publicly humiliated them by casting a spell to replace all the Slytherin colours with the Gryffindor colours and gives them the award instead and they all celebrate, including him and most of the teachers, and Slytherin has to sit there and just accept it??

AIBU to think WTAF and that was very unfair and he was biased by doing this and it’s no wonder the Slytherins were openly hostile and dismissive of him after that!? I’d be fuming if I were a Slytherin student and if I were a parent of a Slytherin student I’d be marching up to the school myself and having a word with the head.

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whistleryukon · 08/11/2021 21:38

Does anyone think that Dumbledore knowing that Harry would eventually have to potentially die and not trying to prevent this was for the greater good? As he was a Horcrux, Voldemort would maybe never have been conquered completely without Harry being killed. It surely had to happen at some point. And Dumbledore did suggest at the end that he had an inkling that Harry wouldn't die anyway, and that it would just be the Horcrux that would 'die' when he got Avada Kedavra'd.

Kanaloa · 08/11/2021 21:39

@Tictocrobot

I wouldn’t say Snape was ‘noble’ and he certainly shouldnt have been given a teaching role. How did he get through THAT interview?!!
I mean he was interviewed by Dumbledore. He hired (in order) Voldemort behind a turban, a narcissistic idiot, a werewolf, a criminal masquerading as a nutcase, and Umbridge - although I accept she was foisted upon him.

I imagine an interview with Dumbledore goes something like ‘I’m only mildly dangerous, a level 4 threat probably - can I teach kids about the dark arts?’ And he’s busy combing his long long beard and hair and can’t be bothered with any more interviews. Either that or he thinks this will be great practice for Harry and co.

ChildOfFriday · 08/11/2021 21:47

In (very) slight defence of Dumbledore, I think he hired Quirrell before he had Voldemort at the back of his head Grin It is clear in the first book that he has been the DADA teacher for longer than that year, despite J K Rowling later realising that each DADA teacher was only supposed to last a year and trying to say that he was Muggle Studies teacher before that. I think Voldy was supposed to have got Quirrell when he took a year out in Albania for first hand experience?

Queenoftheashes · 08/11/2021 21:54

Yeah I always felt that it was implied Quirrell had been teaching defence for a while.

Interesting point about contraception. Still I don’t think anyone got knocked up at hogwarts. They probably have a magic potion for that.

Bertiebiscuit · 08/11/2021 21:56

You know this is Fiction....... For kids, right?????
Move on with your life

ChargingBuck · 08/11/2021 22:04

@Bertiebiscuit

You know this is Fiction....... For kids, right????? Move on with your life
You know this is a messageboard ... for chat, right????? Move on with your life
whistleryukon · 08/11/2021 22:09

@Bertiebiscuit

You know this is Fiction....... For kids, right????? Move on with your life
Youth can not know how age thinks and feels. But old men are guilty if they forget what it was to be young.
foxgoosefinch · 08/11/2021 22:23

@Bertiebiscuit

You know this is Fiction....... For kids, right????? Move on with your life
Aw Bertie, this is the only way I can cope with my 8 year old Potterhead making me do Harry Potter quizzes morning noon and night, and forcing me to watch not only all the films on repeat, but endless YouTube rewatches of the three-part “Harry Potter Rap” …
DdraigGoch · 08/11/2021 22:30

Percy reached a high ranking government position within a few years of leaving school. Imagine someone finishing their A levels and ending up working for Boris Johnson before they’d turned 21! Regardless of personality or politics, this is dynamic ladder-climbing.

He was only a junior assistant to the Minister. Presumably some sort of Assistant Private Secretary role. So while it is a good position for someone only a couple of years out of Hogwarts (Fudge had an ulterior motive with the appointment), it's far from a senior position. He did end up as Head of the Department for Magical Transportation but we don't know when, I can imagine that promotions came thick and fast under the Shacklebolt administration because the ranks had been thinned considerably by the war.

And Fred and George left school, likely “asked to leave” after assaulting the stand-in headmistress with magical explosives, and managed to raise capital - no family money - to open up a rip-roaringly successful shop in the middle of prime wizarding commercial real estate in the middle of an economic downturn and catastrophic political upheaval. It doesn’t get anymore dynamic than that!

They got caught turning a corridor into a swamp and escaped Filch's corporal punishments (Umbridge intended to make an example of them) by summoning their broomsticks and flying out. Harry gave them 1000 galleons as an investment (£5k) which presumably got them a rental deposit on the Diagon Alley shop (1997 prices, remember) and they were already doing a decent business at school and by mail order.

Or even just make his death look like an accident - boot him off the astronomy tower and say he was playing on his broom and fell. Or say he fell in the lake and drowned. Honestly with the health and safety procedures at Hogwarts that’s probably just par for the course and everyone would be like ‘ah it happens.’

Quirrell tried jinxing Harry while he was flying but Snape used a counter-jinx.

I don't know why Sirius didn't tell Fudge he was innocent when he visited Azkaban and explain they were animagi (although out of universe it would have messed the plot up!).

I don't know why Sirius didn't tell Fudge he was innocent when he visited Azkaban and explain they were animagi (although out of universe it would have messed the plot up!).

Sirius thought Peter really was dead though. He also blamed himself for passing on the secret keeper role.

Grey areas like Slughorn were only introduced in the last couple of books. It would have been good to have a few threads running throughout of fundamentally decent kids who are just kind of twattish who are placed into Slytherin.

Don't forget Regulus Black who was so appalled by Voldemort's treatment of a house elf that he sacrificed himself to end his former master.

Malfoy is bratty and Snape doesn't treat him that way.
Malfoy was never bratty to Snape though, was he? He was always very crawly. Lucius and Severus were of course old comrades too.

weemacmum · 08/11/2021 22:38

This is my favourite mumsnet thread ever.

Verfremdungseffekt · 08/11/2021 22:42

@Bertiebiscuit

You know this is Fiction....... For kids, right????? Move on with your life
Do you have difficulty grasping the concept of fictional world building?

Or are you one of those people who pride themselves on never reading ‘anything made up’?

Snoopsnoggysnog · 08/11/2021 22:43

@weemacmum

This is my favourite mumsnet thread ever.
Me too. I love this thread.
Snoopsnoggysnog · 08/11/2021 22:45

@Bertiebiscuit

You know this is Fiction....... For kids, right????? Move on with your life
Biscuit
GrandTheftWalrus · 08/11/2021 22:46

I don't think Snape interviewed for the position, he was the dark Lords potion master and when he went crying to dumbledore he made him his potions master to spy on the dark Lord and because he was so good at occulmency mouldy shorts belived he was there to spy for him.

DdraigGoch · 08/11/2021 22:55

I can’t remember, Snape knew Quirrell tried to kill Harry on the broom? Did he do anything with this fairly important info? Did Dumbledore know and brush it off for some sort of grand plan reason? Or did Snape not know it was quirrell? Just that it was someone? Still, seems like the sort of thing Dumbledore should probably investigate.

Dumbledore told Snape to keep an eye on Quirrell. Quirrell made an attempt to get past Fluffy but Snape stopped him and got injured in the process.

Sn0tnose · 08/11/2021 22:56

@whistleryukon

Does anyone think that Dumbledore knowing that Harry would eventually have to potentially die and not trying to prevent this was for the greater good? As he was a Horcrux, Voldemort would maybe never have been conquered completely without Harry being killed. It surely had to happen at some point. And Dumbledore did suggest at the end that he had an inkling that Harry wouldn't die anyway, and that it would just be the Horcrux that would 'die' when he got Avada Kedavra'd.
Not once Dumbledore found the ring horcrux. It contained the resurrection stone and he wanted to see his sister again, so he put the ring on, which is what made his hand go all black and manky and is why Snape told him he only had a year to live. After he destroyed the horcrux, he hid the resurrection stone in the golden snitch and left it to Harry in his will, so he knew that Harry would get the snitch before he had the fight with Voldemort and that he’d be able to die, get rid of the Horcruxy bit inside him, then come back to life with the help of the stone.
Sn0tnose · 08/11/2021 22:59

Pressed post too soon! Anyway, I think that was before Harry found the prophecy about having to die in order to kill Voldemort. I think.

theworldsastage · 08/11/2021 23:00

I mean he was interviewed by Dumbledore. He hired (in order) Voldemort behind a turban, a narcissistic idiot, a werewolf, a criminal masquerading as a nutcase, and Umbridge - although I accept she was foisted upon him.

I imagine an interview with Dumbledore goes something like ‘I’m only mildly dangerous, a level 4 threat probably - can I teach kids about the dark arts?’ And he’s busy combing his long long beard and hair and can’t be bothered with any more interviews. Either that or he thinks this will be great practice for Harry and co.

You know, everyone thought Dumbledore was a powerful old wizard, but when you sum it up like that, maybe was going senile. I mean, even for a wizard, he was getting on in years.

When you think of what his brother got up to, it's entirely possible Dumbledore just wasn't right in the head either. I mean, all of his actions as headmaster just don't scream 'I'm totally sane and know what I'm doing.'

ChloeCrocodile · 08/11/2021 23:03

He was the one that encouraged her to use magic and stood up for her when Petunia was being horrible to her for being magical and "weird".

Petunia didn’t hate magic (in the books) until Lily was invited to Hogwarts and she wasn’t allowed to go, despite desperately wanting to. By the time the child Petunia was being horrid Lily had plenty of people telling her magic was awesome. Snape may have truly loved Lily (or not, who knows?!) but it is incorrect to claim Petunia always hated magic. She was jealous of how special the magic made Lily in the eyes of their parents. And, to be fair to Petunia, in must really rankle to have your parents glorifying an aspect of your sibling that you have absolutely no hope of replicating.

He hired (in order) Voldemort behind a turban, a narcissistic idiot, a werewolf, a criminal masquerading as a nutcase, and Umbridge

To be fair to Dumbledore, the job was cursed and nobody lasted more than a year after Voldemort was refused the post. It would have been like trying to fill the job to be Henry VIII’s wife - only outcasts and crazy people applying.

They got caught turning a corridor into a swamp and escaped Filch's corporal punishments (Umbridge intended to make an example of them) by summoning their broomsticks and flying out.

I actually think it’s important that Fred and George deliberately set out to “get caught”. They represent the kids who cannot fit into the rigid structure and routine of school but do well from life anyway. Because they were hard working, albeit not in the “get your homework done” sense. They knew from almost the beginning that exams aren’t everything and were good judges of just how far they could get away with pushing boundaries.

theworldsastage · 08/11/2021 23:05

@Queenoftheashes

Yeah I always felt that it was implied Quirrell had been teaching defence for a while.

Interesting point about contraception. Still I don’t think anyone got knocked up at hogwarts. They probably have a magic potion for that.

I always assumed Snape brewed a mass batch of contraceptive/abortion potions every month for Madam Pomfrey. I mean, if you have a potions master on staff - not just a potions professor, but a true master in his field - he was probably pretty damn useful for things like that. Never mind 99% effective, his were probably 100% effective.

I'd say it was interesting how this was never explored, but our narrator was Harry, and he was probably completely oblivious to all of this. If Hermione had been our narrator, she'd probably have heard whisperings from some of the girls in her dormitory.

DdraigGoch · 08/11/2021 23:05

He wants to basically mash out all muggle borns and muggle people and elevate wizards to the highest status above all other people and creatures. All a bit Hitlerish really.

You have just literally described Grindelwald. Think about it: had rallies in Europe, got imprisoned in the 1920s for inciting riots, never quite got around to invading the UK, defeated in 1945. It's uncanny.

DdraigGoch · 08/11/2021 23:08

Re: contraception, wasn't that the reason for the staircases to the girls' dormitories turning into slides if a boy tries to ascend? So the only place anything like that could happen would be behind the bike broom sheds.

whistleryukon · 08/11/2021 23:08

Not once Dumbledore found the ring horcrux. It contained the resurrection stone and he wanted to see his sister again, so he put the ring on, which is what made his hand go all black and manky and is why Snape told him he only had a year to live. After he destroyed the horcrux, he hid the resurrection stone in the golden snitch and left it to Harry in his will, so he knew that Harry would get the snitch before he had the fight with Voldemort and that he’d be able to die, get rid of the Horcruxy bit inside him, then come back to life with the help of the stone.

So, he had a win win plan, but why wouldn't he just say? Why not tell Harry that plan? And McGonagall, Snape, everyone?

theworldsastage · 08/11/2021 23:11

So, he had a win win plan, but why wouldn't he just say? Why not tell Harry that plan? And McGonagall, Snape, everyone?

Dumbledore was either senile or a narcissist. He never just told people things.

If he told them anything, it was to drip feed them, manipulate them or confuse them. He got away with a lot under the guise of just being old.

theworldsastage · 08/11/2021 23:11

@DdraigGoch

Re: contraception, wasn't that the reason for the staircases to the girls' dormitories turning into slides if a boy tries to ascend? So the only place anything like that could happen would be behind the bike broom sheds.
Sod the broom sheds.

Room of Requirement, no? Grin

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