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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To speak to school about this?

71 replies

LoveThemNormally · 06/11/2021 16:28

DD is 7 year 3.

On Thursday 8 of the class where missing due to a local/family wedding (one of those towns where everyone knows everyone – the sister of one child married the dad of another child, and the DNs and neighbours of the people getting married where also invited who all seem to be in this class) and another 4 are off waiting covid test results.

That left 12 in the class. Apparently in the morning when the teacher realised so many where off she took them to the hall and they were spread out among the classes in school 2-3 per class. DD and others have said they were given a text book and told to copy down English work and Maths sums and work them out – DD and the two she was in class with says her teacher came in to check on them once in the whole day but they were not set any specific work. They also missed their weekly PE lesson and their day on the schools outdoor play equipment.

DD says she did nothing all day, which I can well believe, she can’t read (dyslexic) and is usually in her classroom for short periods of time to listen to what she has to do then spends sometime each lesson out of the classroom with the TA and some of the other children. She’s lost a whole day of support which she usually gets (and is funded by the council). She will work with the TA or teacher nearby but not helping her specifically, buy when there’s no-one watching her she will sit and do nothing rather than get it wrong.

I understand trying to catch up 12 children is hard on the teacher and I’m not annoyed that they didn’t do any actual planned work, I am more annoyed she was put in a classroom without any of the support and missed out on the one thing she looks forward to all week at school (play equipment day). She was in a year 6 class so absolutely no chance of her accessing their work and learning from them. She struggles with school due to her dyslexia and I have a hard enough job getting her into school as it is, something like this makes it even hard.

I’d have been fine if they’d put the class in with the other Year 3 class for part of the day but understand that might not have been possible (there’s 23 in the other class but I know at least 3 are off waiting covid results and 2 went to the wedding, so 18 in there).

I know DD had no input at all from her assigned TA as on Friday as we left (the one day DD gets no input – we’ve set this deliberately to give her a chance to “show” her own progress) we saw the TA as we were coming out of school and she said to DD “I’ve missed your smiley face these last 2 days” and there’s also nothing for Thursday from the TA in her progress diary (where me, the Teacher and TA record her progress in various places so we can track if she’s able to do something with one of us but not the others or vice versa this is reviewed regularly so we can set DD targets based on it). Other children who were in on Thursday have also asked DD which teacher she was with and what work she did and swapping stories, it sounds like a lot of them either “helped” the teacher they were with or sat and did not much all day.

I just want to know why;
a) They decided to split the class
b) Not to offer DD the support she’s supposed to have that day
c) Why the decision was taken to put DD in the class they did – was it randomly assigned or was there logic to it.

I want to add, in general I love the school, have no issues and they’re very supportive and open and honest about DD and what she can do and how they see things progressing for her. I also don’t expect everyday to be fun and engaging, I know they have things they have to get through, but given the situation recently, I’d like to know why they came to that decision.

So AIBU?

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SapereAude · 06/11/2021 16:31

We often used to be divvied up like that when either there was no teacher or lots of kids were off. No idea if it was random or not.
A one off? Don't sweat it. It's not going to adversely affect your child.
If it happens regularly, possibly ask why.

Sirzy · 06/11/2021 16:34

Is the support written in and EHCP?

LoveThemNormally · 06/11/2021 16:35

@Sirzy

Is the support written in and EHCP?
We're applying for an EHCP she has an IEP and the council fund some support from the TA for her.
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Userg1234 · 06/11/2021 16:35

It was one day not a permanent thing...it's not as though she's about to sit exams

Cattitudes · 06/11/2021 16:36

We did have this occasionally being split between classes and maybe the teacher was covering another form where the class teacher was off, however if the TA is funded through her I would be questioning why she wasn't with her and request that if it happens again she is at least put into a class where she can 'help' with the younger ones if she would enjoy that. It may though be a matter of where there is space.

TheMadGardener · 06/11/2021 16:37

It sounds rubbish for your DD but if it's a one-off then I wouldn't complain about it - if it keeps happening then yes, but that's not likely.

I teach in primary and at the moment we have so much staff absence that we are really struggling to cover classes. It's very possible that your DD's teacher could have been asked to split her 12 children so that she could go and cover someone else's class and save the school getting a supply in. Every school I know has massively over-spent their supply budget this term due to all the staff absences.

GoingForAWalk · 06/11/2021 16:40

Not much the School can do now.

It's sad because I know my DC primary school teachers would have turned into a fun day if activities and made the most of a small group.

Was the teacher invited to the wedding ? That's what I'd want to know and I'd be fuming if she was

DDivaStar · 06/11/2021 16:41

I wouldn't question it for one day. There could be many reasons they decided to split the class and use the teacher elsewhere, perhaps there was another teacher or more absent ....

If it happened regularly I would definitely question it.

usernumberno46273 · 06/11/2021 16:42

YANBU. Can't see why the year 3 class couldn't have stayed put in their classroom as usual albeit with 8 kids off even if they didn't do their usual work for the day. It's not like the teacher was off!

Wasn't your DS's or the other children's fault so many kids were off!

My two have sen and support at school - eldest has 1:1 and Dd some degree of support so I would be really annoyed too!

I would probably let it slide now, can't do much about it now but my opinion of the school would have changed for sure.

I've had a few not so different issues recently with usual support being chopped and changed to suit the school. For instance they took DS's 1:1 on a residential trip to make up the staffing numbers but he was left with no support...

whenyouknow1youknow1 · 06/11/2021 16:45

@GoingForAWalk

Why on earth would you be fuming with the teacher for being invited to the wedding? Wise up!!

cowburp · 06/11/2021 16:47

Bit shit that they only realised on the day. They would have had to ask for the day off. They could have given you the option to keep her home with work set to do.

LoveThemNormally · 06/11/2021 16:56

@usernumberno46273

YANBU. Can't see why the year 3 class couldn't have stayed put in their classroom as usual albeit with 8 kids off even if they didn't do their usual work for the day. It's not like the teacher was off!

Wasn't your DS's or the other children's fault so many kids were off!

My two have sen and support at school - eldest has 1:1 and Dd some degree of support so I would be really annoyed too!

I would probably let it slide now, can't do much about it now but my opinion of the school would have changed for sure.

I've had a few not so different issues recently with usual support being chopped and changed to suit the school. For instance they took DS's 1:1 on a residential trip to make up the staffing numbers but he was left with no support...

This is my point, it's not that they didn't do the work planned as I know catching 12 children up is hard (I've taught a bit in the past, pre-DD) but that the SN support paid for by the council wasn't there on a day it should be.

If they'd made up for it on Friday as a one off, it wouldn;t have been so bad but to totally miss it so she's gone 4 days without that support is what irked me most.

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GoingForAWalk · 06/11/2021 17:00

[quote whenyouknow1youknow1]@GoingForAWalk

Why on earth would you be fuming with the teacher for being invited to the wedding? Wise up!! [/quote]

Urm for going to a wedding on a school day when she's meant to be teaching but instead abandons half the children who aren't invited and chucks them into other classes.

Yes I'd be pissed off.

LoveThemNormally · 06/11/2021 17:05

@GoingForAWalk

Not much the School can do now.

It's sad because I know my DC primary school teachers would have turned into a fun day if activities and made the most of a small group.

Was the teacher invited to the wedding ? That's what I'd want to know and I'd be fuming if she was

Don't know if teacher was invited, didn't see her when I picked DD up but thats not unusual now anyway as they will mix classes together at pickup so sometimes the other year 3 teacher is with her class.
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BrutusMcDogface · 06/11/2021 17:05

I think it’s probably more likely that the teacher was deployed elsewhere, as mentioned above. Staffing is tough at the moment.

I don’t think it’s fair that she missed her TA support but like others have said, if it’s just a one-off, no real harm done.

Poppitt58 · 06/11/2021 18:13

Sorry to derail but Wow! Which council provides TA funding for dyslexia without an EHCP?! I want to work there!

HBomberGal · 06/11/2021 18:17

I'm also thinking that the teacher was possibly covering another class - that's just how things are atm, schools are really struggling with staffing. As a one off for a 7 year old, I'd be fine with it.

HBomberGal · 06/11/2021 18:23

Urm for going to a wedding on a school day when she's meant to be teaching but instead abandons half the children who aren't invited and chucks them into other classes Yes I'd be pissed off.

Being pissed with the teacher - who'd be presumably sanctioned to take that leave - would be really unreasonable. I'm entitled to 3-5 days of leave during the school year here (depends on summer training), to be taken at times approved by school board. What the school does to staff the classroom on my leave days isn't my concern and if a parent threw a fit over me using my sanctioned leave days, I'd not take any of their nonsense. And I'd be having a good laugh about them in the staffroom.

Anyway, given that OP says in her opening post that the teacher was in school, I'm not sure where this nonsense about wedding invites is coming from.

2reefsin30knots · 06/11/2021 18:25

I bet the teacher covered another class.

But, if there were 12 of one Y3 class left and 18 in the other, why didn't they put them together for the day?

LoveThemNormally · 06/11/2021 18:26

@Poppitt58

Sorry to derail but Wow! Which council provides TA funding for dyslexia without an EHCP?! I want to work there!
It's something to do with Pre-funding before her EHCP and will be taken out of the eventual EHCP budget awarded, we have a good idea what she'll need from an EHCP so they've awarded the money pre EHCP or something, I don't really know how it works but school applied for it
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Sandynorm · 06/11/2021 18:27

@GoingForAWalk Urm for going to a wedding on a school day when she's meant to be teaching but instead abandons half the children who aren't invited and chucks them into other classes.Yes I'd be pissed off.

There's no evidence the teacher was off work at all, or at the wedding, but if she were, you'd have no right to have any opinion. Teaching staff are allowed to request special leave during term time for attendance at things like weddings, funerals, graduation ceremonies etc, just as other workers take leave. Schools have a policy and Heads approve with pay. The class are covered by whoever the school determines and the teacher is allowed to be absent, because this is life and the children in the adult's class aren't automatically more important than everything else!!

LittleOwl153 · 06/11/2021 18:29

In terms of the mixing of classes no I would leave it. However I would ask politely what happened to her support - not because I would expect them to do anything about it now but just to make them aware you are watching and will question if she's not getting what she has funds allocated for.

toomuchlaundry · 06/11/2021 18:32

I wonder if they were a teacher down elsewhere, especially if there is COVID in the school so the teacher was asked to cover that class

Hankunamatata · 06/11/2021 18:40

Go in calmly and ask what happened last week with dd being in a different class - was there not enough teachers, was someone ill etc. Impressed with dyslexia diagnosis before 8 as our our education board will not do them before 8th birthday.

Gaaaahhhhhhhh · 06/11/2021 18:40

Schools are really struggling for staff, at breaking point. I expect the teacher was redeployed. Not fun for the children left but it’s one day.
The school probably wouldn’t have known till the day as most people don’t ask for time off now, they just ring in sick for the child as it’s usually refused.

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